THE COLOURFIELD-VIRGINS AND PHILISTINES

[Barmy]

most?

[Otters Walk Among Us]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>most?
[/quote]

I actually find Things Could Be Beautiful to be a decent song.

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>What a ludicrously overrated band. Do people like V&P because it is good, or because it is rare? I suspect the latter. I have the Japanese CD and it's OK, but give me a break!
[/quote]

Finally! The voice of reason!!

I'll have to check my collection, since I may have this album. If so I haven't listened in 20+ years. But I do want to hear it and form my own opinion. There was so much good music that got swept aside, and this web site is a great place for catching up and/or re-evaluating that music.

Having said that it should be acknowledged that in the United States, by far the largest market for music in the world, the impact of Thee Colourfield was ZILCH. (nb I am not equating popularity with quality).
[/quote]

Considering that in the 20 years since the Colourfield the U.S. has championed shit like Eminem, Limp Bizkit, Korn, Britney Spears, Candlebox, Nickelback, etc., the fact that "Virgins and Philistines" didn't do well in America speaks more of collective bad taste than any faults with Terry Hall's masterpiece. Thank God I returned to the Philippines at the right time, hearing brilliant New Wave artists such as the Lotus Eaters, the Sound, the Chameleons, the Railway Children, Friends Again, Xmal Deutschland, Seona Dancing, Fra Lippo Lippi, Orange Juice, and the Room constantly on three different New Wave radio stations than the crap that was being played in America.

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>What a ludicrously overrated band. Do people like V&P because it is good, or because it is rare? I suspect the latter. I have the Japanese CD and it's OK, but give me a break!
[/quote]

Finally! The voice of reason!!

I'll have to check my collection, since I may have this album. If so I haven't listened in 20+ years. But I do want to hear it and form my own opinion. There was so much good music that got swept aside, and this web site is a great place for catching up and/or re-evaluating that music.

Having said that it should be acknowledged that in the United States, by far the largest market for music in the world, the impact of Thee Colourfield was ZILCH. (nb I am not equating popularity with quality).
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Exactly. Nobody cared about them here for good reason. The only reason they and other bands like them enjoyed huge popularity elsewhere is because after their resounding failure in the U.S., the record company was astute enough to pay someone in The Phils (XB102, is it?)large amounts of money to play their record. It happens all the time.

As far as their name, it is THE COLOUR FIELD. And THEYSUCK. Gentle new wave? For one, they're not even new wave. They came out well past when new wave ended. They would be better classified as college/alternative/indie rock or the best description I've ever heard for them is of my own invention - WUSSPOP.
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Philippine radio played them long before any record labels knew who they were. But your theory could explain why the Rolling Stones made KROQ's charts in the '80s.

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[Frau_Blucher]

I can see that a lot of XB102 fans - and therefore New Wave advocates too - have sprung up and made themselves heard on the NWO lately. That part truly is awesome that the New Wave banner gets carried by a huge variety of us from all over - folks like Golfer from Aussie, Skeggia from Italy, Farfetch from Peru, Brambo from the Holland, etc, etc, etc.

BUT - heh heh, you knew there'd be a 'but' - I've got a bit of a gripe, and simply want to ask if it's totally unfounded and if KROQ, WLIR, or UK listeners are guilty of the same thing and we just don't see it. The "it" would seem to be this absolute self-assurance, one might even say a "know-it-all" attitude, that the XB102 flavor of New Wave was the greatest out there. I know no one has said that per se, but the adamant (heh, one word not two)proclamations in favor of some bands and the vehement defense of some posts lately makes me wonder if you don't feel that is true. Or is that defense so vigorous because of some disdainful retorts themselves to the XB102ers? I'd say some of the retorts have been brought about by the self-assured proclamations themselves - just a bit of incredulity if you will at absolute statements.

I mean, XB102 didn't even come around until New Wave was pretty much over did it? Just like KROQ didn't really come around until the Brit punk and post-punk scene had pretty much passed. I see a lot of respect and diffidence for the London scene and even the early NYC scene too. I KNOW the KROQ stuff wasn't THE shit. There was stuff that came before what everyone was listening to, and there are different standards and points of view that have been established elsewhere too. We all make proclamations about our favorites, but deep down, I gotta believe people also implicitly acknowledge that it's from our own point of view.

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...

[2Nu]

I for one can vouch for having hoisted the flagship NW Radio banner/flag with WLIR 92.7

Chaulk it up to one's identifying with the particular programming and station airstaff personalities present during the height of the NW music radio phenomenon.

As you pointed out Blir, there will ineveitably be an inherent bias towards elevating a particular radio station above the fray and finding all manner of justification for doing so.

The admiration for the band that started this thread is proof positive of that regionally based support (IMO). The same goes for the counterpoints made by those who (for the most part) hail from outside the region of influence (Philippines).

There are many similar comparisons that can be made about occasions where WLIR & the NY area clubs embraced and subsequently broke in bands, ie: Pet Shop Boys: West End Girls (1984) or APB's 'Something To Believe In' LP for that matter.

I'm sure other area NWO'rs can give their own account of how their area NW radio station somehow influenced the propagation of the genre in their neck of the woods.

Hey!.. looks like another thread topic has been born! [;)]

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[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]


I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
[/quote]

Sniping? Yes. Unwarranted? Definitely not. Half the stuff they claim is new wave isn't even new wave even by the broadest of definitions. Xmal Deutschland? You gotta be kidding me. If they want to hold themselves up as some sort of experts on something, maybe they should learn a little about the subject first. I'll start with the first lesson: Xmal Deutschland was goth.

I firmly believe that what you had was a small country with one major radio station that everyone listened to and that is why you hear the same old bands listed by all of them. Kind of like if you lived in Bumfuck, Arkansas with a population of 112 and one gas station. If Billy Joe and Jim Bob at the local Shell swore to you that Kendall motor oil would keep your Ford pickup truck running longer and you just bought into it without ever trying anything else, how could you possibly know any better? It's just a lack of exposure. Instead of recognizing and admitting that, they get defensive and link it to some misguided form of local pride.

You mentioned Australia and Italy. The difference there is that those countries have actually contributed something to the worldwide scene. Yet you still don't get the same superior attitude from anyone from those countries. Wonder why?

[Darkwave]

CFNY ruled!![^] [:D] and they played tracks by The Colourfield.

Hardest hits
Retro:Active
Spirit of radio comps
classic alternatives

played 12" versions- remix service mixes by
DMC
Hot tracks
Razormaid

Xb102 and WLIR were great too! Is there a site that has XB102 & WLIR Air Checks ?

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>I can see that a lot of XB102 fans - and therefore New Wave advocates too - have sprung up and made themselves heard on the NWO lately. That part truly is awesome that the New Wave banner gets carried by a huge variety of us from all over - folks like Golfer from Aussie, Skeggia from Italy, Farfetch from Peru, Brambo from the Holland, etc, etc, etc.

BUT - heh heh, you knew there'd be a 'but' - I've got a bit of a gripe, and simply want to ask if it's totally unfounded and if KROQ, WLIR, or UK listeners are guilty of the same thing and we just don't see it. The "it" would seem to be this absolute self-assurance, one might even say a "know-it-all" attitude, that the XB102 flavor of New Wave was the greatest out there. I know no one has said that per se, but the adamant (heh, one word not two)proclamations in favor of some bands and the vehement defense of some posts lately makes me wonder if you don't feel that is true. Or is that defense so vigorous because of some disdainful retorts themselves to the XB102ers? I'd say some of the retorts have been brought about by the self-assured proclamations themselves - just a bit of incredulity if you will at absolute statements.

I mean, XB102 didn't even come around until New Wave was pretty much over did it? Just like KROQ didn't really come around until the Brit punk and post-punk scene had pretty much passed. I see a lot of respect and diffidence for the London scene and even the early NYC scene too. I KNOW the KROQ stuff wasn't THE shit. There was stuff that came before what everyone was listening to, and there are different standards and points of view that have been established elsewhere too. We all make proclamations about our favorites, but deep down, I gotta believe people also implicitly acknowledge that it's from our own point of view.

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
[/quote]

I can't speak for anybody else on this board, but everyone certainly has their "hometown favorites." Whatever New Wave radio station you listened to that helped form your tastes will always be your model for greatness. From my perspective, many American New Wave channels and programs leave me cold. A few years back I received some KROQ airchecks from 1981-1982, and they sounded like Top-40 radio in comparison to what we had on XB-102 and also BM-105 and early NU-107. I'm not into too much synth-pop or cheesy early '80s records. The New Wave groups that I have the most affection for -- the Wild Swans, the Lotus Eaters, Fra Lippo Lippi -- do not receive any airplay at all in the U.S. It's all about where you grew up.

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
[/quote]

Sniping? Yes. Unwarranted? Definitely not. Half the stuff they claim is new wave isn't even new wave even by the broadest of definitions. Xmal Deutschland? You gotta be kidding me. If they want to hold themselves up as some sort of experts on something, maybe they should learn a little about the subject first. I'll start with the first lesson: Xmal Deutschland was goth.
[/quote]

Wow, what a revelation that is! Thank you for sharing your expertise on this matter. I must've not known Xmal Deutschland were Goth when I wrote this:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... 65x9krd~T1

Or this:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... 867uw0h0jj

Or this:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... djyl4oxpsb

My day has been brightened now that you've opened the doors of enlightenment. XB-102 (http://www.wxb102forever.com) categorized New Wave as a diverse genre that included related styles such as Goth, post-punk, ska, Italo Disco, punk, and synth-pop. Unless I am mistaken, the "Rock of the '80s" formats in the U.S. did the same except we didn't have to sit through the Rolling Stones and Cyndi Lauper.

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
[/quote]

Sniping? Yes. Unwarranted? Definitely not. Half the stuff they claim is new wave isn't even new wave even by the broadest of definitions. Xmal Deutschland? You gotta be kidding me. If they want to hold themselves up as some sort of experts on something, maybe they should learn a little about the subject first. I'll start with the first lesson: Xmal Deutschland was goth.

I firmly believe that what you had was a small country with one major radio station that everyone listened to and that is why you hear the same old bands listed by all of them. Kind of like if you lived in Bumfuck, Arkansas with a population of 112 and one gas station. If Billy Joe and Jim Bob at the local Shell swore to you that Kendall motor oil would keep your Ford pickup truck running longer and you just bought into it without ever trying anything else, how could you possibly know any better? It's just a lack of exposure. Instead of recognizing and admitting that, they get defensive and link it to some misguided form of local pride.

You mentioned Australia and Italy. The difference there is that those countries have actually contributed something to the worldwide scene. Yet you still don't get the same superior attitude from anyone from those countries. Wonder why?
[/quote]

For somebody accusing an entire population of fans for not doing their homework, you excel at making sweeping generalizations. Comparing us to backwoods hicks is a derogatory and racist statement that I am startled to see here. At least that's how I interpret it. You can't expect everybody to share your personal view of what New Wave is and isn't. As for Philippine artists not contributing to the worldwide scene, tell that to proud Filipino guitarist Joey Santiago of the legendary Pixies. And, besides, whose fault is it for the Philippines not being recognized for its own New Wave artists, brilliant musicians such as the Dawn, the Identity Crisis, Dean's December, etc? U.S. record labels viewed the country in the same narrow-minded fashion that you do.

Most of the New Wave artists that are discussed on this board we heard in the Philippines on three different New Wave radio stations. I don't know what "lack of exposure" to the genre that you are talking about. To us fans, we lived and breathed it - and still do. I'm sure many of you are the same in that regard; otherwise, why would you be here?

I don't think any of us are calling ourselves superior. Everybody is learning something new on this board every day.

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by suttonrecords[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
[/quote]

Sniping? Yes. Unwarranted? Definitely not. Half the stuff they claim is new wave isn't even new wave even by the broadest of definitions. Xmal Deutschland? You gotta be kidding me. If they want to hold themselves up as some sort of experts on something, maybe they should learn a little about the subject first. I'll start with the first lesson: Xmal Deutschland was goth.

I firmly believe that what you had was a small country with one major radio station that everyone listened to and that is why you hear the same old bands listed by all of them. Kind of like if you lived in Bumfuck, Arkansas with a population of 112 and one gas station. If Billy Joe and Jim Bob at the local Shell swore to you that Kendall motor oil would keep your Ford pickup truck running longer and you just bought into it without ever trying anything else, how could you possibly know any better? It's just a lack of exposure. Instead of recognizing and admitting that, they get defensive and link it to some misguided form of local pride.

You mentioned Australia and Italy. The difference there is that those countries have actually contributed something to the worldwide scene. Yet you still don't get the same superior attitude from anyone from those countries. Wonder why?
[/quote]

So what makes our affection and loyalty to XB-102 any less valid than the continuously professed admiration for WLIR, KROQ, and CFNY on this board?

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Darkwave[/i]
<br>CFNY ruled!![^] [:D] and they played tracks by The Colourfield.

Hardest hits
Retro:Active
Spirit of radio comps
classic alternatives

played 12" versions- remix service mixes by
DMC
Hot tracks
Razormaid

Xb102 and WLIR were great too! Is there a site that has XB102 & WLIR Air Checks ?
[/quote]

Check out http://www.wxb102forever.com for NEW broadcasts from veteran XB DJs such as Cool Carla and Mick Flame. Yes, the station is back on the air and other veterans will be returning soon. Once in a while we throw in '80s airchecks in there. I agree with you about CFNY. In fact, there are a lot of similarities between CFNY and XB-102. CFNY also played Fra Lippo Lippi, Jimmy Jimmy, and the Lotus Eaters, judging from their playlists and airchecks. Of all the non-Philippine stations during the '80s, CFNY was the most adventurous I've seen. XB spun a ton of 12" mixes, imports, and B-sides, too. It was great waking up every morning and hearing stuff like the Cure's "Stop Dead," Seona Dancing's "Bitter Heart," and Martin Ansell's "An Englishman Abroad."

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[Gavin]

I may be dating myself here, but when Xmal Deutschland were cool, nobody EVER used the term "goth" (at least during their 4AD tenure). Xmal Deutschland were a deathrock band. And the Colourfield were new wave.

[Barmy]

The Phillipine contingent should lay off trying to look cool. Your taste in music is horrifically, or, rather, comically, appalling. Plus you are ruining this forum by overposting (and reposting) acres of text in your own tired threads. NO ONE BUT YOU CARES about FLL, Wild Swans, Lotus Eaters and ColorField. The fact that they never got airplay in the US may have something to do with the fact that they are bland nancyboy crap.