THE COLOURFIELD-VIRGINS AND PHILISTINES

[Rubbeet921]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>The Phillipine contingent should lay off trying to look cool. Your taste in music is horrifically, or, rather, comically, appalling.

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EXCUSE ME!??? [}:)][:(!][:(!]

What the hell is wrong with you people??? YOU TALK WAY TOO MUCH!!! [:(!] Why can't you just shut the fuck up if you don't like the music we are discussing about in this thread??? If you do not have anything constructive to say, PLEASE STAY AWAY. It's that simple! This thread was not made for people as narrow-minded as you!

How sure are you that the bands/artists you adore are not considered CRAP by your fellow Americans??? (or whatever the hell is your Nationality).

TO EACH HIS OWN. PERIOD.

[newwaveasshole]

hahahaha look who's blushing[B)]

hey man if you really want to know new wave, come to the Philippines and we'll show your freaking ARSE.

[Paperink]

Filipinos, Americans, and everybody here were all inspired by their own interpretation of new wave. We all shared common ground and that is why we are here in NWO to share that inspiration!!!

New wave knows no boundary and let's keep it that way... make PEACE with good music!!![:)]

[greenhorn]

hi all,

i totally agree with paperink, music should not divide us, "shoplifers of the world unite" [:D]

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>The Phillipine contingent should lay off trying to look cool. Your taste in music is horrifically, or, rather, comically, appalling. Plus you are ruining this forum by overposting (and reposting) acres of text in your own tired threads. NO ONE BUT YOU CARES about FLL, Wild Swans, Lotus Eaters and ColorField. The fact that they never got airplay in the US may have something to do with the fact that they are bland nancyboy crap.
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Extreme, dogmatic, intolerant...U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! [V]

[eight6]

I listened to CFNY in the 80's and as much as I have fond very memories of the brilliant music played on the station, when I think about it, they also played a lot of crap. I wonder if the same could be said for any of the other stations that keep getting listed here?

Sure, they (CFNY) played most if not all the music that gets listed in the various threads here but then again, they played artists like "Boys Don't Cry" "Baltimora" and yes "The Colourfield" which I found to be talentless then, and still do today. Because I found them uninteresting doesn't mean anyone else will share my opinion and that's fine.

One man's crap is another man's treasure.

Entertaining thread nonetheless.


BTW: who'da thunk it...The Colourfield may actually have a 100 reply thread under it's belt soon. At least there's no debating that.[:D]

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[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by suttonrecords[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
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Sniping? Yes. Unwarranted? Definitely not. Half the stuff they claim is new wave isn't even new wave even by the broadest of definitions. Xmal Deutschland? You gotta be kidding me. If they want to hold themselves up as some sort of experts on something, maybe they should learn a little about the subject first. I'll start with the first lesson: Xmal Deutschland was goth.

I firmly believe that what you had was a small country with one major radio station that everyone listened to and that is why you hear the same old bands listed by all of them. Kind of like if you lived in Bumfuck, Arkansas with a population of 112 and one gas station. If Billy Joe and Jim Bob at the local Shell swore to you that Kendall motor oil would keep your Ford pickup truck running longer and you just bought into it without ever trying anything else, how could you possibly know any better? It's just a lack of exposure. Instead of recognizing and admitting that, they get defensive and link it to some misguided form of local pride.

You mentioned Australia and Italy. The difference there is that those countries have actually contributed something to the worldwide scene. Yet you still don't get the same superior attitude from anyone from those countries. Wonder why?
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For somebody accusing an entire population of fans for not doing their homework, you excel at making sweeping generalizations. Comparing us to backwoods hicks is a derogatory and racist statement that I am startled to see here. At least that's how I interpret it. You can't expect everybody to share your personal view of what New Wave is and isn't. As for Philippine artists not contributing to the worldwide scene, tell that to proud Filipino guitarist Joey Santiago of the legendary Pixies. And, besides, whose fault is it for the Philippines not being recognized for its own New Wave artists, brilliant musicians such as the Dawn, the Identity Crisis, Dean's December, etc? U.S. record labels viewed the country in the same narrow-minded fashion that you do.

Most of the New Wave artists that are discussed on this board we heard in the Philippines on three different New Wave radio stations. I don't know what "lack of exposure" to the genre that you are talking about. To us fans, we lived and breathed it - and still do. I'm sure many of you are the same in that regard; otherwise, why would you be here?

I don't think any of us are calling ourselves superior. Everybody is learning something new on this board every day.
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Mike, I am extremely sorry if you interpreted my remarks as being racist. I honestly didn't think they would be perceived that way, but since they were, you have my apologies. I could care less what race (or more appropriately, nationality) a person is. What pissed me off is the superior attitude exhibited by yourself and other listeners of XB-102, Wonder Station (one of whom I am told is not even a Pinoy). I could go through old posts and dig up plenty of sniping little comments made by you and directed at the U.S. Does that make you a racist? Of course not. But it makes you seem smug and condescending to more than a few people on this board, a fact that has been communicated to me in private e-mail by a few NWO'ers. That's why I posted what I did. I had kept quiet (which for me is a monumental struggle [:D]) out of respect for Rubbeet, but things being as they are now, I saw no reason to keep holding back. If you have ever read anything else on this board, you will realize that I am the last person to defend Americans and the last person to ever think the U.S. is anything special or better than anyone else. I'd even go as far as to say I'm embarassed to live here, given the events of the past few years. Maybe it's because I hate all the pro-U.S. jingoistic bullshit so much that I also hate similar attitudes when I see them coming from other nationalities. And that's the way I feel when I read some of those shots that are taken at U.S. audiences. That's how your remarks are interpreted, whether you mean them that way or not.

To answer your other question: Yes, it is just as annoying when it's KROQ, WLIR, whoever the hell Malibu Sue is, etc...

Again ... my apologies for coming across so harshly.

[fanciz]

The point is that there are different opinions on what NW is all about on this board and some of us are trying to bridge a gap between those opinions by introducing bands which are not well known in the US. I believe that some members are now appreciating groups like the Wild Swans, Fra Lippo Lippi and yes The Colourfield. It is of course the right of anybody to state that he doesn't like this or that band but being over sarcastic is in my opinion uncalled for. It would really be appreciated if everyone could remain polite with each other.

[Darkwave]

[quote][i]Originally posted by suttonrecords[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Darkwave[/i]
<br>CFNY ruled!![^] [:D] and they played tracks by The Colourfield.

Hardest hits
Retro:Active
Spirit of radio comps
classic alternatives

played 12" versions- remix service mixes by
DMC
Hot tracks
Razormaid

Xb102 and WLIR were great too! Is there a site that has XB102 & WLIR Air Checks ?
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Check out http://www.wxb102forever.com for NEW broadcasts from veteran XB DJs such as Cool Carla and Mick Flame. Yes, the station is back on the air and other veterans will be returning soon. Once in a while we throw in '80s airchecks in there. I agree with you about CFNY. In fact, there are a lot of similarities between CFNY and XB-102. CFNY also played Fra Lippo Lippi, Jimmy Jimmy, and the Lotus Eaters, judging from their playlists and airchecks. Of all the non-Philippine stations during the '80s, CFNY was the most adventurous I've seen. XB spun a ton of 12" mixes, imports, and B-sides, too. It was great waking up every morning and hearing stuff like the Cure's "Stop Dead," Seona Dancing's "Bitter Heart," and Martin Ansell's "An Englishman Abroad."

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com
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Thank's for link to http://www.live365.com/stations/xb_102 it's great!
[:)]


[:)]

[Darkwave]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>The Phillipine contingent should lay off trying to look cool. Your taste in music is horrifically, or, rather, comically, appalling. Plus you are ruining this forum by overposting (and reposting) acres of text in your own tired threads. NO ONE BUT YOU CARES about FLL, Wild Swans, Lotus Eaters and ColorField. The fact that they never got airplay in the US may have something to do with the fact that they are bland nancyboy crap.
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These Bands had some of the best tracks and albums of the 80's and got alot of airplay on XB102 & CFNY.

IMHO these are some of the best albums of the 80's![^]
Lotus Eaters - No Sense of Sin
Wild Swans - Bringing Home the Ashes
Fra lippo lippi - Songs
The Colourfeild - Virgins and Philistines

[Barmy]

zzz

[suttonrecords]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by suttonrecords[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]

I dunno, what do people think? Has there been a bit of unwarranted sniping to make the XB102ers more defensive or is there a more proclamatory attitude from them in general? Just asking, food for thought, yada yada yada...
[/quote]

Sniping? Yes. Unwarranted? Definitely not. Half the stuff they claim is new wave isn't even new wave even by the broadest of definitions. Xmal Deutschland? You gotta be kidding me. If they want to hold themselves up as some sort of experts on something, maybe they should learn a little about the subject first. I'll start with the first lesson: Xmal Deutschland was goth.

I firmly believe that what you had was a small country with one major radio station that everyone listened to and that is why you hear the same old bands listed by all of them. Kind of like if you lived in Bumfuck, Arkansas with a population of 112 and one gas station. If Billy Joe and Jim Bob at the local Shell swore to you that Kendall motor oil would keep your Ford pickup truck running longer and you just bought into it without ever trying anything else, how could you possibly know any better? It's just a lack of exposure. Instead of recognizing and admitting that, they get defensive and link it to some misguided form of local pride.

You mentioned Australia and Italy. The difference there is that those countries have actually contributed something to the worldwide scene. Yet you still don't get the same superior attitude from anyone from those countries. Wonder why?
[/quote]

For somebody accusing an entire population of fans for not doing their homework, you excel at making sweeping generalizations. Comparing us to backwoods hicks is a derogatory and racist statement that I am startled to see here. At least that's how I interpret it. You can't expect everybody to share your personal view of what New Wave is and isn't. As for Philippine artists not contributing to the worldwide scene, tell that to proud Filipino guitarist Joey Santiago of the legendary Pixies. And, besides, whose fault is it for the Philippines not being recognized for its own New Wave artists, brilliant musicians such as the Dawn, the Identity Crisis, Dean's December, etc? U.S. record labels viewed the country in the same narrow-minded fashion that you do.

Most of the New Wave artists that are discussed on this board we heard in the Philippines on three different New Wave radio stations. I don't know what "lack of exposure" to the genre that you are talking about. To us fans, we lived and breathed it - and still do. I'm sure many of you are the same in that regard; otherwise, why would you be here?

I don't think any of us are calling ourselves superior. Everybody is learning something new on this board every day.
[/quote]

Mike, I am extremely sorry if you interpreted my remarks as being racist. I honestly didn't think they would be perceived that way, but since they were, you have my apologies. I could care less what race (or more appropriately, nationality) a person is. What pissed me off is the superior attitude exhibited by yourself and other listeners of XB-102, Wonder Station (one of whom I am told is not even a Pinoy). I could go through old posts and dig up plenty of sniping little comments made by you and directed at the U.S. Does that make you a racist? Of course not. But it makes you seem smug and condescending to more than a few people on this board, a fact that has been communicated to me in private e-mail by a few NWO'ers. That's why I posted what I did. I had kept quiet (which for me is a monumental struggle [:D]) out of respect for Rubbeet, but things being as they are now, I saw no reason to keep holding back. If you have ever read anything else on this board, you will realize that I am the last person to defend Americans and the last person to ever think the U.S. is anything special or better than anyone else. I'd even go as far as to say I'm embarassed to live here, given the events of the past few years. Maybe it's because I hate all the pro-U.S. jingoistic bullshit so much that I also hate similar attitudes when I see them coming from other nationalities. And that's the way I feel when I read some of those shots that are taken at U.S. audiences. That's how your remarks are interpreted, whether you mean them that way or not.

To answer your other question: Yes, it is just as annoying when it's KROQ, WLIR, whoever the hell Malibu Sue is, etc...

Again ... my apologies for coming across so harshly.

[/quote]

Well, I've never chastised any particular member for their tastes, unlike some of you have done. Have I been critical of the way American radio stations and speciality shows do their programming? Yes, of course. However, I always explain my reasons. For example, I don't think the "Retro Active" channel on Music Choice is adventurous enough. Cyndi Lauper, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Wham! do not belong on the station, and it's symbolic of the type of so-called New Wave programming I have been seeing in the U.S. since I returned in 1987. There is a discussion about the Fall in another thread. On XB-102, they played numerous cuts from the Fall including "C.R.E.E.P." (an '80s anthem over there), "Living Too Late," "Cruiser's Creek," etc, on regular rotation. I even burned out on "Living Too Late" for a while from hearing it so much. I turn on "Retro Active" and I'm lucky to hear "Victoria" once in a while. That's it; there's no other Fall track on the playlist. Instead, they play Corey Hart's "Sunglasses at Night" on a daily basis. Wouldn't any hardcore New Wave fan believe that something is wrong?

I have nothing against New Wave fans in the U.S. It's not their fault that there's a streak of conservatism in how New Wave is generally presented on radio here and especially on compilation CDs. In my opinion, it's too mainstream. On KNDD-FM, they actually spin Los Lobos on their New Wave flashback shows. Say what you will about the Colourfield, but there's no way you can interpret "La Bamba" as a New Wave tune. And I ask: Where are the Chameleons? Eyeless in Gaza? The Comsat Angels? Why are they playing Tommy Tutone's "867-5309 (Jenny)" but not Zerra One or Cactus World News? Or Care?

One of the new DJs on XB's Internet revival, the Sandman, is an American and was raised in the Pacific Northwest with no Philippine roots whatsoever. He, too, is irritated by how New Wave music is generally programmed here. He used to spin Dole's "Slumberland" on college radio, and I told him that was a staple on Manila radio.

There's a difference between "superior attitude" and raw passion. Those who grew up on XB-102 are proud of their roots. We heard it all -- X-Ray Spex, the Dead Kennedys, Joy Division, the Specials, Friends Again, Blue Zoo, Private Lives, Clan of Xymox, Fuzzbox, the list is endless. DJs were allowed to play whatever they wanted provided that the records fit into their format. I have a number of airchecks from XB during the '80s, and they'll never stop blowing me away. XB is back on the Internet now, and it's the same rule: Surprise me. I have no idea what Mick Flame, Cool Carla, or the Sandman will be spinning. No restrictions except to limit the coverage between '76-'91.

In the past, I have given praise to U.S.-based "Flashback Alternatives" (a vast, comprehensive playlist) and Pat Wolfe of KDHX-FM on this MB. Both Ed Fishman and Wolfe have done a tremendous job of pleasing the most die-hard of fans.

Yet, again, it really goes back to where you came from. I have no nostalgic affection for Greg Kihn's "Jeopardy." It wasn't until 2002 that I heard it for the first time. I'm sure there are folks who have memories stirred by it when it plays on "Retro Active." I'm not one of them. All I can think of is that they could've used that airspace for the Adventures' "Send My Heart."

Michael Sutton
CEO/Sutton Records
http://www.suttonrecords.com

[Barmy]

z

[fanciz]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Barmy[/i]
<br>z
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Barmy.......,thank you for your contribution to the discussion, I always look forward to your inputs![:D][:D]

[swerve]

In response to Michael Sutton...

In a couple of words... ratings and profit $$$. Having listened to CFNY here in Toronto it met the same demise after 1987... programming Scary Thieves, Vis-A-Vis, The Big Supreme etc... (although wonderful to hear) doesn't allow for high ratings and profit $$$.

DJ's programming what they wanted to air was a rarity only ever experienced at a few commercial stations in the world... it was suggested that hardcore New Wave fans (thought to be maybe 10% or 50,000 of the 500,000 listeners who would tune in at least 15 minutes or more a week) to CFNY prior to 1988 would recognize in the first 15 seconds a lesser known artist or song. Programmers of these stations today are conscious of that and don't want to run the risk of losing a listener with the unfamiliar.

Unfortunately Michael the hard core is in the minority and not the majority... they know "Whip It"... "Don't Walk" is another story.

I was very lucky to have had an outlet such as CFNY here in Toronto as were you with XB-102... good times indeed that have passed us by on corporate radio. [:)]