Sarah Palin's cheat sheet

[marie3]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
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This was good too:

"Ironically because of people like Sarah Palin, the country has become so stupid, we need the word retarded to constantly describe what is going on in America."

[:D]




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Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it.
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Yes. That was good also. The whole show was great.
I got to see Bill Maher last month. Funny as hell. [:D]

[enzfan]

I actually forced myself to watch some of the show to see what the lefts talking points would be today.

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>I actually forced myself to watch some of the show to see what the lefts talking points would be today.[/quote]Bill Maher is very liberal, but he's not a democrat and he's not connected to the DNC (which doesn't publish daily talking points to party members like the GOP does). He's on record as a libertarian, but he's definitely a liberal one.

[ghosty]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>I actually forced myself to watch some of the show to see what the lefts talking points would be today.[/quote]Bill Maher is very liberal, but he's not a democrat and he's not connected to the DNC (which doesn't publish daily talking points to party members like the GOP does). He's on record as a libertarian, but he's definitely a liberal one.
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Call me naive but I was under the impression that the GOP and DNC e-mail out talking points from their respective (and yet oddly identical) websites.

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ghosty[/i]
<br>Call me naive but I was under the impression that the GOP and DNC e-mail out talking points from their respective (and yet oddly identical) websites.[/quote]No, it's a valid question. The talking point emails available from the (lame) websites are issued for the general public. GOP and Democratic congress critters receive a different version issued by Senate/House leadership, although it still sourced at party hq. Last I heard these talking points are faxed, but times have changed and maybe in recent years they've finally switched over to email.

[SallyLightfoot]

More Bill Maher:

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[djcraig]

[i]"The American people are not bright enough to really understand the issues."[/i]

Even if it has a degree of truth, Maher either doesn't realize how elitist that sounds or he just doesn't care.

[i]"Obama had a bad freshman year."[/i]

Oh no, Billy agrees with the majority of the "retarded" American people- simultaneously contradicting himself and alienating what few Obama worshippers remain.

<img src="http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9C7Aetl-3n8yVM:.jpg">

As for the Tea Party on taxes, I'd like to know how Maher randomly polled a group that has no official structure. Taxes WILL be going up- someone has to pay for Barry's deficit spending. Probably your grandkids.




<a href="http://www.djcraig.net/los_angeles_dj">DJ Craig</a>

[marie3]

[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
<br>[i]"The American people are not bright enough to really understand the issues."[/i]

Even if it has a degree of truth, Maher either doesn't realize how elitist that sounds or he just doesn't care.

[i]"Obama had a bad freshman year."[/i]

Oh no, Billy agrees with the majority of the "retarded" American people- simultaneously contradicting himself and alienating what few Obama worshippers remain.

<img src="http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9C7Aetl-3n8yVM:.jpg">

As for the Tea Party on taxes, I'd like to know how Maher randomly polled a group that has no official structure. Taxes WILL be going up- someone has to pay for Barry's deficit spending. Probably your grandkids.




<a href="http://www.djcraig.net/los_angeles_dj">DJ Craig</a>


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Taxes have to go up to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan alone. I don't know how anyone would think otherwise.

We have not paid for the invasion of Iraq and the war in Afghanistan for the past eight years. Bush didn't even include the cost when he did the U.S. budget. And he cut taxes during wartime.
Something no other president has ever done.

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by marie3[/i]
<br>Taxes have to go up to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan alone. I don't know how anyone would think otherwise.

We have not paid for the invasion of Iraq and the war in Afghanistan for the past eight years. Bush didn't even include the cost when he did the U.S. budget. And he cut taxes during wartime.
Something no other president has ever done.[/quote]Not only that, but we didn't pay for Bush's tax cuts. We didn't pay for Bush's Medicare Part D Prescription Drug benefit for seniors. Adding in the wars, these things made up something like 85% of the current deficit. Look at some data:
<a href="http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036&emailView=1" target="_new3"><img src="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/12-16-09bud-rev2-17-10-f1.jpeg" width="301" height="366"></a>

[marie3]

You know, I am amazed how Republicans are so "outraged" at the deficit right now. They were the most non conservative party I ever saw when in the White House with George W. They ran up the deficit, killed the dollars value and now they are "outraged". Give me a fu*king break.

I am not a lefty or a righty. I am an Independent and very middle of the road.
The Democrats suck too. Just pass the shit that you promised to pass when you came to power. How hard is that?
They are so stupid that they are going to lose House and Senate seats big time in November by not doing what they campaigned to do. And the party that got us into this big mess will be back in power to push through crappy bills.
And the Americans who vote the Republicans back in are retards. (I use this term in the most Bill Maher way possible)
Watching Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin, Tea Baggers, religious nut jobs on the right and Democrat losers on the Left, who can't do anything is exhausting.

[SynthesizerMan]

I predict that the balance of power between Republicans and Democrats will continue to flip back and forth in Congress until voters on both sides decide that the partisan gridlock of our times is the bane of our times. As long as we (voters) continue to elect people to office whose mandate is to disagree with anything and everything that the other party says or proposes, we are going to continue to decline in all ways as a country.

Debate is great - intractability is a liability.

world of noise

[ghosty]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SynthesizerMan[/i]
<br>I predict that the balance of power between Republicans and Democrats will continue to flip back and forth in Congress until voters on both sides decide that the partisan gridlock of our times is the bane of our times. As long as we (voters) continue to elect people to office whose mandate is to disagree with anything and everything that the other party says or proposes, we are going to continue to decline in all ways as a country.

Debate is great - intractability is a liability.

world of noise
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Amen to that!

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
<br>[i]"The American people are not bright enough to really understand the issues."[/i]
Even if it has a degree of truth, Maher either doesn't realize how elitist that sounds or he just doesn't care.[/quote]Why should he care? He's giving his frank opinion, and he's not a politician running for office, so there's no need for pandering or phony platitudes. I'm sure you have a low opinion of most mainstream music (I certainly do)-- like an elitist music critic, but so what?
[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
<br>[i]"Obama had a bad freshman year."[/i]
Oh no, Billy agrees with the majority of the "retarded" American people- simultaneously contradicting himself and alienating what few Obama worshippers remain.[/quote] There probably aren't all that many Obama worshippers left -- his decline in the polls is due to the erosion of his base, not so much other supporters.
[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
<br>As for the Tea Party on taxes, I'd like to know how Maher randomly polled a group that has no official structure.[/quote]I've pointed to a couple of Tea Party surveys/polls in this very thread -- there are plenty to choose from. Do you think <strike>before you write</strike> there is no way to poll this group?
[quote][i]Originally posted by djcraig[/i]
<br>Taxes WILL be going up- someone has to pay for Barry's deficit spending. Probably your grandkids.[/quote]
You haven't read anything marie3 or I have written: [i]the Obama administration is not the perpetrator of the large deficit[/i]; he inherited the vast majority of it. Whatever wellspring of bullshit you fill up at simply does not withstand scrutiny-- please cite any sources supporting your point.

Yes, taxes [i]will[/i] have to go up, once the economy is expanding again. With all of the expenditures on the national credit card-- thanks to a certain previous administration-- the government will have to pay its bills (although some $ will be inflated away, some will be saved through spending reductions, some will simply float for decades to come). Tax rates are near historic lows, so a few percentage points isn't going to be the end of the world and it will bring the long term outlook into solvency.

<a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/in-depth-look-at-federal-budget.html" target="_djcraig_is_an_asshat"><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4jIlyJ10uJU/S3_taqUEc5I/AAAAAAAAGE4/xO6qDLza_uQ/s1600/Revenue%2BComposite.JPG" height="310" width="455"></a>

And sure, maybe your grandkids will have some debt on the national balance sheet. It's not like that's anything new (our generation has managed significant national debt). Anyway by that point in the future [i]they will be grown ups[/i], not little kiddies, right, so hopefully they'll elect leaders who save surpluses during economic expansions instead of pissing it away with a "deficits don't matter" political philosophy.

[enzfan]

[quote][i]Originally posted by SallyLightfoot[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>I actually forced myself to watch some of the show to see what the lefts talking points would be today.[/quote]Bill Maher is very liberal, but he's not a democrat and he's not connected to the DNC (which doesn't publish daily talking points to party members like the GOP does). He's on record as a libertarian, but he's definitely a liberal one.
[/quote]Oh I guess the DNC putting out talking points for operatives to call into conservative talk radio stations doesn't count. The GOP doesn't have to do this considering Air America's 7 or 8 listeners quit tuning in and they went belly up.

[SallyLightfoot]

[quote][i]Originally posted by enzfan[/i]
<br>Oh I guess the DNC putting out talking points for operatives to call into conservative talk radio stations doesn't count. The GOP doesn't have to do this considering Air America's 7 or 8 listeners quit tuning in and they went belly up.[/quote][i]DNC operatives[/i]? Is it tin-foil hat time? Right-wing talk shows--and, more broadly, the GOP-- propogate distortions, deceptions, rank hypocrisy and outright lies on a daily basis. Many of the statements are outrageously false on the very face of it (e.g., death panels, govt takeover of health care, stimulus not creating any jobs, ACORN stealing elections, obama's birth certificate, gun control, dozens more...). Liberals who call right-wing talk shows are not party "operatives", they are individuals who like to harass right-wing gasbags. It's a form of amusement.