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Naked Eyes - Fuel For The Fire (Expanded)


Postby anemiccinema » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:58 am

I have this CD and it sounds great. I checked it through Soundforge and found only subtle instances of brickwalling. I have checked the files and only a few short areas hover in the max range. I do question the whole brickwalling theory.How are we so certain that we have gone beyond maximum range vs reaching the highest attainable level. The idea with these remasters is to get the clearer louder sound out so that it does sound all muddied.To me true brickwalling is when the file is just a big solid blob line on the analysis and you can hear hear problems with these files. I am not a crazy audiophile either, I just like good music and this CD sounds great on all of my sound arena, Car, Home and Work.
Love Naked eyes and fell in love with this album again!!!!
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Postby rk2585 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:54 am

If you want the sound to be louder then all you have to do is use the volume knob on your sound system. But for a cleaner sound, well, you need the original masters and you go from there. Here's some more info on Cherry Red Records for those that would like to know:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/c ... cd.299522/

Also, be careful with some reviews that are being posted because companies do hire or tell their employees to pose as regular people and promote their product. I know this and have seen it being pushed in some marketing departments.
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Postby Bellenger1981 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:18 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by discoginfo[/i]
<br>It sounds fine to me, but then again I have discovered that some people claim CDs to be "brickwalled" after the fact that I have, in my own mind, enjoyed the sound. Perhaps I just like the Music as such too much to think about those aspects? So I guess that makes me unqalified to say "OK". No this is not irony or self pity, I'm just saying. If I do notice things it's usually tiny signs of vinyl rip noise, etc.
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Thanks for the info. I have no problem with a release being brick-walled. Like you, I have discovered some people claiming that a release is ruined by its brick-walled sound, yet I will tend to enjoy it. It depends. I have a problem with it being brick-walled to a point in which it becomes hard on the ears -- that is, a piercing, harsh wall of sound. I popped in the 2012 remaster of "Burning Bridges" the other day and again, I found it to be too much on the harsh, piercing side. Some of the tracks sound fine in this state, but songs like "Always Something There To Remind Me" sound too pumped up and bloated. In other words, the integrity of the original recordings has been lost. The music no longer sounds natural.
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Postby Bellenger1981 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:19 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by anemiccinema[/i]
<br>I have this CD and it sounds great. I checked it through Soundforge and found only subtle instances of brickwalling. I have checked the files and only a few short areas hover in the max range. I do question the whole brickwalling theory.How are we so certain that we have gone beyond maximum range vs reaching the highest attainable level. The idea with these remasters is to get the clearer louder sound out so that it does sound all muddied.To me true brickwalling is when the file is just a big solid blob line on the analysis and you can hear hear problems with these files. I am not a crazy audiophile either, I just like good music and this CD sounds great on all of my sound arena, Car, Home and Work.
Love Naked eyes and fell in love with this album again!!!!
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Thanks for the info. Are there any mastering credits? I'm just curious if it's the same folks who did "Burning Bridges".
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Postby anemiccinema » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:43 pm

It says the Remastering on "Fuel to the Fire" is by Dave Turner at 360 mastering. True on Burning Bridges-- "Always something there to remind me" -- but then again the original that was too noisy to starting with loud muffled distorted church bells and trying to work it from there.
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Postby Bellenger1981 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:00 am

[quote][i]Originally posted by anemiccinema[/i]
<br>It says the Remastering on "Fuel to the Fire" is by Dave Turner at 360 mastering. True on Burning Bridges-- "Always something there to remind me" -- but then again the original that was too noisy to starting with loud muffled distorted church bells and trying to work it from there.
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Thank you for the mastering credits. [:D] Dave Turner is credited with the mastering of "Burning Bridges" as well. As for the muffled church bells in "Always Something There To Remind Me", that sound doesn't bother me. It's when the drum machine rolls in. I just don't think that it needed to be that bloated in sound. That's all. Now I'm torn on whether or not I want to invest in the "Fuel For The Fire" remaster.
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Postby bruiser » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:31 am

listening to this now, and i'm really enjoying it. the loudness isn't a problem to my ears; i was more concerned it would be uber-compressed, and it doesn't sound like it is too much. i liked the sound on "burning bridges" and this is more of the same, so i'm happy. the demos on this set are cool, by the way. they really did go out on a limb with this album, incorporating more dance rhythms and "effects"- my fave song on this album is probably "flying solo"- but "no flowers please" is pretty close too. nice to here these songs again.
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