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Hi all,

Surprised there isn't already a post here.....

Propaganda - Wishful Thinking remastered + 5 bonus tracks 2nd June (TBA)

No news on the additional tracks as yet

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Propaganda-Wish ... 07&sr=8-10

Can't wait !!

The sticker says "five previously unreleased bonus tracks".
I actually started on a discography "my discog.info style" for Propaganda, but Mr Morley's obsession with renamed re-edits in absurdum made me too tired to complete it. Same thing with "Act" - I started, but stopped.

Maybe one of the bonus tracks will be "Sorry for laughing (unapologetic 12")" (from the previous deluxe 2-CD) - it was originally created for Wishful Thinking.

/JW
www.discog.info

[quote][i]Originally posted by discoginfo[/i]
<br>The sticker says "five previously unreleased bonus tracks".
I actually started on a discography "my discog.info style" for Propaganda, but Mr Morley's obsession with renamed re-edits in absurdum made me too tired to complete it. Same thing with "Act" - I started, but stopped.

Maybe one of the bonus tracks will be "Sorry for laughing (unapologetic 12")" (from the previous deluxe 2-CD) - it was originally created for Wishful Thinking.

/JW
www.discog.info

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Yes ZTT is a discographer's nightmare!.

I hope that Sorry for laughing (unapologetic 12")" doesn't make it purley because as you state it's already on Secret Wish

Yes, on the other hand it would be nice to have ALL tracks that "belong" to that remix album on the same disc - if they fit of course. /JW

I have the Reportoire release from several years ago. What would've been nice is to have combined Outside World and Wishful Thinking together with all the extra tracks.

[quote][i]Originally posted by omar[/i]
<br>I have the Reportoire release from several years ago. What would've been nice is to have combined Outside World and Wishful Thinking together with all the extra tracks.
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That actually was a very good idea.

I decided to publish my propaganda discography anyway, I was almost done anyway, and wrapped it up quickly.

http://www.discog.info/propaganda.html

Best/JW

Tracklisting now up and reads:

1. Abuse
2. Machined
3. Laughed
4. Loving
5. Jewelled
6. Loved
7. Abuse
8. Thought
9. Strength to Dream (Outtake 04.02.84)
10. p:Machinery (The Beta Wraparound)
11. The Murder of Love (Murderous Instrumental)
12. Dr Mabuse (Outtake 24.04.85)
13. Frozen Faces ( A Secret Sense of Rhythm)
14. p:Machinery (The Voiceless Beta Wraparound Edit)

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Dad, the dog's dead!

Strange that they would include outtakes from 1984! And even from April 1985, as this remix compilation wasn't conceived until autumn 1985. Yes it's nice to hear unreleased tracks, but it would also be nice if someone at ZTT actually organized all the tracks from the beginning and decided "this track goes here, this one goes there", depending on what kind of track it is and when it was recorded and for what purpose. Ideally, it would be a multi CD set, with the first disc being the "album", a second disc could be single versions and B-sides, a third disc the 12" mixes, then the Wishful Thinking disc with extra tracks recorded during the same 39 hours as the rest of the album, then further discs with outtakes etc, in chronological order based on recording date. As it is now, the deluxe Cd of the main album is a misch masch of rare & unreleased.

Add to that the "Outside World" Cd that has mainly the "rare tracks", and the confusion is complete. Planning ahead is the key.

In fact, the remix single p: Machinery (Reactivate) (7" and 12" version) came out in connection with Wishful Thinking (Nov 1985), and those versions could have been bonus tracks on the CD.

/JW

[quote][i]Originally posted by discoginfo[/i]
<br>Strange that they would include outtakes from 1984! And even from April 1985, as this remix compilation wasn't conceived until autumn 1985. Yes it's nice to hear unreleased tracks, but it would also be nice if someone at ZTT actually organized all the tracks from the beginning and decided "this track goes here, this one goes there", depending on what kind of track it is and when it was recorded and for what purpose. Ideally, it would be a multi CD set, with the first disc being the "album", a second disc could be single versions and B-sides, a third disc the 12" mixes, then the Wishful Thinking disc with extra tracks recorded during the same 39 hours as the rest of the album, then further discs with outtakes etc, in chronological order based on recording date. As it is now, the deluxe Cd of the main album is a misch masch of rare & unreleased.

Add to that the "Outside World" Cd that has mainly the "rare tracks", and the confusion is complete. Planning ahead is the key.

In fact, the remix single p: Machinery (Reactivate) (7" and 12" version) came out in connection with Wishful Thinking (Nov 1985), and those versions could have been bonus tracks on the CD.

/JW
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It seems there's still no real 'logic' in Ian Peel's curatorship for those Element series. Element 21 is also a good example.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Luke[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by discoginfo[/i]
<br>Strange that they would include outtakes from 1984! And even from April 1985, as this remix compilation wasn't conceived until autumn 1985. Yes it's nice to hear unreleased tracks, but it would also be nice if someone at ZTT actually organized all the tracks from the beginning and decided "this track goes here, this one goes there", depending on what kind of track it is and when it was recorded and for what purpose. Ideally, it would be a multi CD set, with the first disc being the "album", a second disc could be single versions and B-sides, a third disc the 12" mixes, then the Wishful Thinking disc with extra tracks recorded during the same 39 hours as the rest of the album, then further discs with outtakes etc, in chronological order based on recording date. As it is now, the deluxe Cd of the main album is a misch masch of rare & unreleased.

Add to that the "Outside World" Cd that has mainly the "rare tracks", and the confusion is complete. Planning ahead is the key.

In fact, the remix single p: Machinery (Reactivate) (7" and 12" version) came out in connection with Wishful Thinking (Nov 1985), and those versions could have been bonus tracks on the CD.

/JW
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It seems there's still no real 'logic' in Ian Peel's curatorship for those Element series. Element 21 is also a good example.
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Hi Luke,

I feel that Ian Peel gets a very raw deal from fans, I don't think he has the final say on track selection, also it's availability of material.

People assume that there is tons of unreleased tracks in the Vault, if the first edition of the Liverpool remaster is any indication, then probably not.

While on the subject of Propaganda does anyone know if there's still some unreleased tracks from Act ?

I think this one still needs to see the light of day on CD:
http://www.discogs.com/Act-Snobbery-Dec ... ase/331591

I have the 3 cd anthology of Laughter, Tears & Rage but always felt that knowing ZTT there's still some unreleased stuff.

The cassette-only single "Duel" from 1985 has been released as a digital single now as well.
http://www.thisisnotretro.com/propagand ... al-reissue

I don't know if any of these 5 remixes are not on any CD yet. /JW