What killed New Wave???

[ghosty]

[quote][i]Originally posted by TragicMagic[/i]
<br>Rap and also Stock Aitken-Waterman started killing real music in the mid 80's (for me anyway).

As far as specifically new wave goes.. did anything really kill it, or was it just a natural progression of evolution of music over time?
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100% correct. I amend my answer. Nothing killed New Wave. It died a natural death like every other phase in music. Glam Rock died. Psychedelic Rock died. Hair Metal died. Rockabilly died, etc. Elements of all of these dead phases of music get revived from time to time but that's about it.

New Wave died. It had to die. It was born to die. I'm glad it's dead otherwise it wouldn't be special.

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ghosty[/i]
<br>I'm glad it's dead otherwise it wouldn't be special.
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Like!

[zill]

Then when will hip hop die? Enough already.

[TragicMagic]

[quote][i]Originally posted by zill[/i]
<br>Then when will hip hop die? Enough already.
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yeah! It's not special so it may never die. Which sucks. Ahh well, thank god for on/off switches.

[ghosty]

Hip Hop is it's own thing. It's as big and all encompassing as the term "rock" is with it's own long history and sub-genres. I'm told there's a huge chasm between certain Hip Hop artists, genres and eras just like there's (seemingly) a huge chasm between Led Zeppelin and Joy Division in rock. I don't hear it myself but then again I've never cared for Rap/Hop Hop so I wouldn't be bothered to delve into it. I'm sure Country music has it's hardcore devotees on a message board getting into arguments about whether Toby Keith and Trisha Yearwood belong in the same category just like the sort of discussions that rage along on this message board.

[Frank_Chickens]

[quote][i]Originally posted by TragicMagic[/i]
<br>Stock Aitken-Waterman started killing real music in the mid 80's (for me anyway).
[/quote]

This, so very much this.

Music done to a formula, no talent needed. Just slot in the next interchangeable face and away you go.

By late '85 the movement had run its course and the big acts that were having hits previously (Nick Kershaw, Blancmange, Thompson Twins etc.) were now finding them hard to come by. Soon after saw the next set of faces offering something fresh for the kids. Although new wave did have its moments in the late 80s (Freiheit - Keeping the Dream Alive, Kon Kan - I Beg Your Pardon etc.) it was replaced by adult pop, house music etc., a contemporary sound for a new audience, new wave had no place in this.

[djcraig]

New Wave didnt' really "die". It just became less popular in popular media/culture. Reality is, there's more New Wave music being made today than ever before (see the Nextwave topic right here at http://nwoutpost.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=15) or check out the Free Music topic at: http://nwoutpost.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23184

It's just not as recognized nor getting the airplay it once did. And I agree, that does make it special.



<a href="http://www.djcraig.net/los_angeles_dj">DJ Craig</a>

[Violent Pacification]

The end of the Cold War killed New Wave. So much of the music was steeped in the premise of M-A-D and the escapism that it fostered; once that backdrop was gone, the desire to avoid reality became more of an exercise in frivolity and less of a coping mechanism.

[deevo0]

suppose the other thing to keep in mind about new wave is that it has more variety than other musical movements. To me, NW includes ska revival, powerpop, mod revival, synthpop, goth, british postpunk (controversial), new romanticism, art rock (devo, heads), FM rock crossover (u2, cars, pretenders), dance music, rockabilly revival, krautrock, electronica, etc. Some if not most of these genres kept going or morphed into something else. For example, ska had a third wave in the 90s.

i love the Alan Cross series ongoing history of new music. He has a series of shows called '30 years of punk'. He argues that classic punk ended in 78 and then morphed into other forms of punk, eg grunge, emo, pop punk, ska punk. NW is kind of like that. NW proper ended in 85-6, just like punk proper ended in 78, but as others pointed out it kept going in other forms.

[DougMash]

I always consider Nirvana the death of New Wave too. Grunge was definitely what killed my fanzine (The New Music Scene 1988-92), as all the "happy/thoughtful" bands that we interviewed that were carrying on New Wave in the early 90's (Judybats, Poi Dog Pondering, Trashcan Sinatras, etc.) all disappeared when it was no longer cool to make fun music. Thank God They Might Be Giants managed to survive!

[WoodlandParkPunk]

Fuck Nirvana and grunge!! Go hang yourself music!!

"You just pick a chord, go twang, and you've got music." ~ Sid Vicious

[djcraig]

[quote][i]Originally posted by WoodlandParkPunk[/i]
<br>Fuck Nirvana and grunge!! Go hang yourself music!!

"You just pick a chord, go twang, and you've got music." ~ Sid Vicious
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Yeah cause Joy Division and a plethora of their contemporaries were oh so uplifting.



<a href="http://www.djcraig.net/los_angeles_dj">DJ Craig</a>

[TragicMagic]

IMO New Weave had progressed away from music some-time before grunge was on the scene, so Personally I cast no blame. I also quite like the influences the grunge scene brought to music (I was in a grunge band in the 90's so maybe I'm a little biased) [:D]

If anything I thank grunge for going against hip hop, rap and stock aitken waterman crap.

TM

[soundstory]

[quote][i]Originally posted by TragicMagic[/i]
<br>Rap and also Stock Aitken-Waterman started killing real music in the mid 80's (for me anyway).

As far as specifically new wave goes.. did anything really kill it, or was it just a natural progression of evolution of music over time?
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I'd agree with SAW 100% & yes it just kind of died on it's own.

I'm from the UK, & the term New wave never applied over here

[Dave]

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