What killed New Wave???

[q89747]

[quote][i]Originally posted by soundstory[/i]
I'm from the UK, & the term New wave never applied over here
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Since when do the Brits not use the term 'new wave'? In my copy of the Volume Four booklet is the interview with Mark E Smith in which he declares that the Fall were never part of the NW scene in the early '80s. Also, Select Magazine back in the day used to talk about the NWONW (new wave of new wave) trend of the early-mid '90s-- contemporary bands that incorporated NW elements into their music (eg Blur and Elastica).

[Frank_Chickens]

[quote][i]Originally posted by q89747[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by soundstory[/i]
I'm from the UK, & the term New wave never applied over here
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Since when do the Brits not use the term 'new wave'? In my copy of the Volume Four booklet is the interview with Mark E Smith in which he declares that the Fall were never part of the NW scene in the early '80s. Also, Select Magazine back in the day used to talk about the NWONW (new wave of new wave) trend of the early-mid '90s-- contemporary bands that incorporated NW elements into their music (eg Blur and Elastica).
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One of the original uses of the term was by NME to describe the burgeoning punk movement at the time. It is correct that The Fall wasn't part of the NW scene but then they weren't really part of any music scene. He's a funny one that Mark.

The Selector were using it to describe the next generation of the next generation - what fresh ideas the new bands brought with them and what influences they had that took them there. As for Blur and Elastica having new wave influences we'll have to agree to disagree.

As a term for a type of music it is rarely used here, in fact the only bands that immediately spring to mind that come closest it to are Horizontal Brain and The Lonely Boys.

[q89747]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Frank_Chickens[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by q89747[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by soundstory[/i]
I'm from the UK, & the term New wave never applied over here
[/quote]
Since when do the Brits not use the term 'new wave'? In my copy of the Volume Four booklet is the interview with Mark E Smith in which he declares that the Fall were never part of the NW scene in the early '80s. Also, Select Magazine back in the day used to talk about the NWONW (new wave of new wave) trend of the early-mid '90s-- contemporary bands that incorporated NW elements into their music (eg Blur and Elastica).
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One of the original uses of the term was by NME to describe the burgeoning punk movement at the time. It is correct that The Fall wasn't part of the NW scene but then they weren't really part of any music scene. He's a funny one that Mark.

The Selector were using it to describe the next generation of the next generation - what fresh ideas the new bands brought with them and what influences they had that took them there. As for Blur and Elastica having new wave influences we'll have to agree to disagree.

As a term for a type of music it is rarely used here, in fact the only bands that immediately spring to mind that come closest it to are Horizontal Brain and The Lonely Boys.
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Not the band the Selecter sir, I mean Select the '90s UK mag.
Amazingly enough there's a Wikipedia entry on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_of_new_wave

[Frank_Chickens]

[quote][i]Originally posted by q89747[/i]

Not the band the Selecter sir, I mean Select the '90s UK mag.
Amazingly enough there's a Wikipedia entry on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_of_new_wave
[/quote]

It was late when I posted that and I made a typing error; I do know the difference between the two, thanks anyway.

[soundstory]

[quote][i]Originally posted by q89747[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by soundstory[/i]
I'm from the UK, & the term New wave never applied over here
[/quote]
Since when do the Brits not use the term 'new wave'? In my copy of the Volume Four booklet is the interview with Mark E Smith in which he declares that the Fall were never part of the NW scene in the early '80s. Also, Select Magazine back in the day used to talk about the NWONW (new wave of new wave) trend of the early-mid '90s-- contemporary bands that incorporated NW elements into their music (eg Blur and Elastica).
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I could have worded my post better.

I'm not saying we don't use the term New Wave, I'm saying at the time the early 80's british bands that the term is generally used for, the term new wave wasn't used in the UK.

Select was a 90's magazine.

The term New Wave really was an american term, not saying that's a problem, just saying that's a fact.

[bpdp3]

"I'll Salute the New Wave, and I hope nobody escapes"

That was Joe Strummer, a Brit, in "I'm So Bored with the USA".

I'm not sure if that proves or disproves your point, soundstory!!

But I concur that "new wave" as a term and marketing concept was always more of an American thing. I've still got all my Trouser Presses, Rolling Stones, Creems, etc from that era and you see it in the ads.

[Doctor Doctor]

New wave is an american term like college rock.
I rarely heard it growing up...

[b]"Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia"[/b]

[gnj1958]

What killed new wave? the same thing that kills everything else .... time.

[soundstory]

[quote][i]Originally posted by bpdp3[/i]
<br>"I'll Salute the New Wave, and I hope nobody escapes"

That was Joe Strummer, a Brit, in "I'm So Bored with the USA".

I'm not sure if that proves or disproves your point, soundstory!!

But I concur that "new wave" as a term and marketing concept was always more of an American thing. I've still got all my Trouser Presses, Rolling Stones, Creems, etc from that era and you see it in the ads.
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Hey bpdp3,

That actually proves my point!

If people who think I'm wrong, read up about what Strummer was wrting about !.

Doctor Doctor is correct, New Wave is an american term

[toyah]

First of all, 'new wave' is a French term, it originated with a futurist style of film making, Francois Truffaut and such...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_New_Wave


second of all, the wily Miles Copeland, who wanted to help his brother's band(The Police) escape the 'punk rock' curse, took the French term for his bands, like The Police and those who performed in the "Urgh!" film, to make them more marketable for America...
http://www.milescopeland.biz/blog/?page_id=5



Seymour Stein, whose Sire Records had The Ramones and Talking Heads,picked up on this business via a subscription to Melody Maker and New Musical Express,and suddenly The Ramones were a "New Wave" band..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Stein


as the punk aspects petered out by the 70's end, and such as Soft Cell came along, the contemporary version of what is now regarded as new wave became the dominant, and eventually only, definition of the term..
and this is from someone who lived through all of this as it happened, so STFU..

[soundstory]

Ok, yers new wave was originally a french term, however in the context we are using it was mainly used in America.

Not doubting it's origins.

Anyway who are you aiming the STFU at?? [:D]

[toyah]

just being PUNK!!!!!

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by toyah[/i]
<br>just being PUNK!!!!!
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[i]Poseur[/i]...that's French for CUNT.

[toyah]

sounds like the voice of experience..

[profpike]

"new wave" was already over by the time I did college radio ca. 1984. It was "new music" or "alternative" already by then.

Some artists moved on, changed style, or went solo: John Doe, Peter Case, Steve Wynn, Penelope Houston, to name a few.

I kind of liked the plethora of sounds you could hear on college radio from 1984 on: world music, rap, blues, techno, power pop, punk.

And what about that one man genre buster Prince? What was he? Rock, New Wave, Funk?

I knew punks and metal heads who adored Prince (also knew metal heads who loved Michael Jackson, but swore to me secrecy and would tuck a tape of Bad into a Metallica case).

www.blogomonster.com/profpike