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Okay, so I'm feeling a bit..."presice" today and am wondering if anyone knows the official style/genre designation of Joy Division (and others of their sound and era specifically). This would be a VERY time and sound specific classification - pre-new wave. They are often lumped with Punk because of their affiliations and era, but of course, they really are the forerunners of wave and goth and a few other movements, depending on which road was taken. Dark synth would seem accurate, but then other groups get lumped in.

I would love to start a list of categories (sub-categories) and some of their respective members (like the mention of "Jangle Pop" in this section) so the anal part of me can accurately place my music in history and movement. Any takers?

~crashh

I've always heard them refered to as "post-punk".

Definately in that post-punk era before new wave really slipped into a broader consiousness, but I think you're right on with the dark synth classification - maybe the progenitors of dark synth before it really became a genre. I think AMG has a good start

OK, if we were to take this a little further, we could do a family tree of genres.

I recently had a (far too) lengthy discussion with a friend who insisted that grunge pre-dated industrial. I personally disagree, and several times saw bands like Nirva

If you can "classify" the Stranglers then you can classify joy Division (although both appear on first wave "Punk" compilations from the UK).

~EB~

I would go with Post Punk for Joy Division although their first incarnation the Stiff Kittens were a punk band (and quite bad too by all accounts!). There were no synths on their early recordings either so the dark synth tag may be a misnomer.

As for N

Just reading this thread for the 1st time and wanted to agree that industrial definitely pre-dated grunge - - the whole Wax Trax catalog of releases came before anyone had mentioned 'grunge' and the whole Seattle scene...

Tomb, the Simon Reynolds artic

Depends on how you classify grunge and industrial. Throbbing Gristle started in '78, but they really don't have any resemblance to KMFDM or Minimal Compact.

The Wax Trax/Play It Again Sam style of industrial first took off in about 1986 and exploded

I can't imagine how industrial and grunge had anything to do with one another--Front 242 and Nirvana? No. There were some Seattle grunge-affiliated acts that did some industrial stuff (Steve Fisk) and the wanky guitar-heavy industrial bands close to g

[:D]If you like Joy Division, you'll love the movie "24-Hour Party People". It captures that era...

I always reffered to Joy division as "Electro Punk" One of the few that would fit that title.Some Bauhaus and Fad Gadget fit this as well

I dunno, Joy Division and Bauhaus didn't really have much "electro" going on, maybe just a keyboard wash here and there.

Fad Gadget on the other hand...

I LOVE me some Fad Gadget!