New Wave Outpost Forum

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the book was published in 1980 & was written by,GLENN A. BAKER & STUART COUPE.
some of the group's mentioned in the book like,,tom petty & the heartbreakers, pat benatar, bruce springsteen, cheap trick & the babys are (were) considered by the book's authors to be new wave and or forrunners of the new wave movement.
the groups i've mentioned all come from the book/authors etc..and i've not added any of my favorite groups or groups i thought were/are new wave etc...
the authors say this about,,tom petty & the heartbreakers..."though a forrunner in new wave music,tom petty is doing nothing more than reinterpret traditional rock n roll for the 80's."
here's what they say about the babys,,"early in 1980,the babys recorded their fourth album,union jacks,which boasted a tougher,more new-wave influenced sound."


THE NEW MUSIC.....GLENN A. BAKER and STUART COUPE. published in 1980.
new music originators,pioneers and influences from 1973 thru 1980.

NEW YORK ::::: velvet underground,john cale,lou reed, nico,void-oids,television,wayne county,patti smith,new york dolls,blondie,dead boys,the dictators,ramones,tuff darts,cherry vanilla,get wet,johnny thunders,dmz.

AMERICA::::"one of the strangest twists of the new music revolution is that,almost without exception,its founding fathers are american."
mink deville,motels,devo,b52's,knack,pearl harbour and the explosions,cheap trick,cars,tom petty and the heartbreakers,david johansen,cretones,ellen foley,carolyne mas,dickies,shirts,urban verbs,lydia lunch,stiv bators,durocs,fools,phil rambow,steve forbert,pat benatar,babys,jonathon richman's modern lovers,dl byron,david werner,bruce springsteen,louise goffin,greg kihn band,laughing dogs,sue saad and the next,gogo's,feelies,atlantics,holly and the italions,spider,plasmatics,orchids,cobra,dyan diamond.

CALIFORNIA::::zippers,dils,mumps,avengers,dead kennedys,mutants,screamers,last,zeros,true weirdos,sst,dv-8,readymades,sleepers,quick,20/20,nerves,the beat,flamin groovies,robert fripp,cramps,captain beefheart,earthquake,bizaros,rachel sweet.

ENGLAND::::dr.feelgood,buzzcocks,cortinas,lurkers,damned,eddie and the hot rods,chelsea,sex pistols,vibrators,stranglers,101ers,subway sect,slaughter and the dogs,clash,slits,johnny moped,poly styrene,tom robinson band,sham 69,police,ian dury,squeeze,rich kids,brinsley schwartz,adverts,999,john otway,generation x,rezillos,yachts,elvis costello,undertones,stiff little fingers,headboys,secret affair,pretenders,boomtown rats,joe jackson,graham parker,lene lovich,jane aire,original mirrors,tourists,siouxie and the banshees,vapors,cure,motors,bram tchaikovsky,magazine,live wire,dire straits,sniff n the tears,members,rumour,rockpile,buggles,joan armatrading,public image ltd.,jona lewie,judie tzuke,fabulous poodles.

AULSTRALIA::::kid galahad,rats,tv jones,saints,boys next door,radio birdman,birthday party,models,whirlywind,hellcats,go-betweens,inxs,cold chisel,hitmen,johnny and the boys,flash and the pan,split enz,breakers,sports,jojo zep and the falcons,radiators,angels,toy love,reels,midnight oil,mi-sex,mental as anything,dugties,numbers,flowers,rose tattoo,aulstralian crawl,rick springfield.

POWERPOP::::"powerpop revival emerged in the early 70's as a reaction against the current crops of music.it was more sophisticated/commercial than punk.powerpop has a strong foothold and tradition in america,aulstralia and england."
records,shoes,sherbet,t-rex,rubettes,sweet,cheek,john paul young,pezband,20/20,kristy maccoll,bette bright,jags,ian gomm,the beat,romantics,rubinoos,eric carmen,paley brothers,nick lowe,rollers,loaded dice,innocents (aulstralian group),barracudas,dwight twilley band,ian lloyd,clones,strangeways,pleasers,scruffs,starjets,little bo bitch,the pop.

ROCKABILLY::::dave edmunds,mickey jupp,robert gordon,rocky burnette,george thorogood,nighthawks,levi and the rockats,joe ely,q-tips,whirlwind,kingbees,link wray,fabulous thunderbirds,darts,showaddywaddy,bishops.

SYNTHESIZER/ELECTRONIC:::::talking heads,flying lizards,johnn foxx,gary numan,m,human league,throwing gristle,telex,brian eno,fischer-z,omd,athletice spizz '80,new musik,residents,psychedelic furs,wire,peter gabriel,snakefinger,pere ubu.

SKA::::::specials,selecter,madness,british beat,bodysnatchers,bad manners,gangsters.


MOD:::::secret affair,lambrettas,jam,merton parkas,jolt,crooks,purple hearts,chords,squire.

EUROPE:::::herman brood,new adventures,plastic bertrand,nina hagen,elton motello,kleenex,stinky toys,young love,dolly dots,meteors,plan,einstein,kayak,daf.

FUTURE NEW WAVE GROUPS,LURKING IN THE SHADOWS:::::nervous rex,elevators,mo-dettes,korgis,willie nile,inmates,skids,fingerprintz,ruts,bruce woolley,jules and the polar bears,robin lane and the chartbusters,joan jett,a's,john hiatt,models,uk subs,roches,moon martin,sinceros,scooters,tommy tutone,martha and the muffins,whiteface,facedancer,breathless.


please keep note that all these bands/artists are listed in the book by the authors and critics of the day etc....
i'm sure you may not consider some of these new wave,but remember for the time,they were.
if you can track this book down,,,,buy it.i've had my copy since i bought it new in 1980.

please post your comments,,,,,thoughts.....etc....if you agree with the authors about the bands listed etc.........

percussionlover

I personally disagree with half of the authors choice as New wave.

I mean Pat Benatar? Bruce Springsteen? Tom Petty?

a lot of real NW bands were not even there.


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Wait...i saw Boy Next Door...aret they Boy Bands???

Common, if they dont consider Jesus And mary Chain, Prefab Sprout and Soup Dragons NW but they consider Boys Next Door...it must be the end of the world! (as we know it, and i feel fine..[:D])


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You have to keep in mind that this was written in 1980 but it does have great pictures!

The Boys Next Door were the Birthday Party's previous identity so I don't have a problem with their inclusion, however, I agree with empyrean. Too many bad inclusions to make this book have any level of credibility with me.

[quote][i]Originally posted by club80[/i]
Too many bad inclusions to make this book have any level of credibility with me.
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The book is as credible as the poster who brought it to our attention.

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[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>The book is as credible as the poster who brought it to our attention.
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It's incredible.

The authors greatly expanded this book in 1983 and called it, "The New Rock 'N' Roll: The A-Z Of Rock In The '80s."

As pointed out, it's significant that the original book was published in 1980...there was clearly a different perspective on what was considered "New Wave" back then; it doesn't make their choices necessarily right or wrong. Also, the book was written from an Australian viewpoint (one of the authors was an Australian music critic).

I read both these books when they were originally released and at the time they were amongst my favorites on the subject -- lively bios, great pics. Sure, nearly 30 years later my opinions may have evolved, but have you read ANY 80's discography where you agreed with 100% of the entries (except maybe the classic "International Discography Of The Wave" -- and that 730-page bible only covered until 1983!...get it at Amazon for only 163 bucks cheap!)?

you have to remember empyrean that this book was published in 1980 !!!!
so the groups and or artists mentioned in the book were considered new wave then (1973 thru 1980)..so bands you like that are new wave, i'm sure were still little kids or not formed yet or signed yet. see what i'm gettin at ...
this is still one of the best books written about new wave,when new wave really was in its prime/at its best & strongest (1973 thru 1980)...[quote][i]Originally posted by empyrean[/i]
<br>I personally disagree with half of the authors choice as New wave.

I mean Pat Benatar? Bruce Springsteen? Tom Petty?

a lot of real NW bands were not even there.


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percussionlover

[quote][i]Originally posted by georgie rockwood[/i]
<br>you have to remember empyrean that this book was published in 1980 !!!!
so the groups and or artists mentioned in the book were considered new wave then (1973 thru 1980)..so bands you like that are new wave, i'm sure were still little kids or not formed yet or signed yet. see what i'm gettin at ...
this is still one of the best books written about new wave,when new wave really was in its prime/at its best & strongest (1973 thru 1980)...[quote][i]Originally posted by empyrean[/i]
<br>I personally disagree with half of the authors choice as New wave.

I mean Pat Benatar? Bruce Springsteen? Tom Petty?

a lot of real NW bands were not even there.


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percussionlover


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I have to disagree, Georgie. Obviously, you've read this book and I haven't, so perhaps I am speaking out of turn.
Based on the artists named, some of which are new wave acts, I am questioning whether this was even supposed to be solely New Wave or was it new music in a different context (meaning a departure from the "classic" rock structure)?
I mean...Pat benatar, Bruce Springsteen and Tom Petty were not New Wave...ever.

[quote][i]Originally posted by georgie rockwood[/i]
<br>when new wave really was in its prime/at its best & strongest (1973 thru 1980)...[/quote]

[:0] LOL!!! Really? This explains a lot and helps me better understand some of your (off)topics.

[quote][i]Originally posted by rewind[/i]
<br>The authors greatly expanded this book in 1983 and called it, "The New Rock 'N' Roll: The A-Z Of Rock In The '80s."

As pointed out, it's significant that the original book was published in 1980...there was clearly a different perspective on what was considered "New Wave" back then; it doesn't make their choices necessarily right or wrong. Also, the book was written from an Australian viewpoint (one of the authors was an Australian music critic).

I read both these books when they were originally released and at the time they were amongst my favorites on the subject -- lively bios, great pics. Sure, nearly 30 years later my opinions may have evolved, but have you read ANY 80's discography where you agreed with 100% of the entries (except maybe the classic "International Discography Of The Wave" -- and that 730-page bible only covered until 1983!...get it at Amazon for only 163 bucks cheap!)?
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Amazingly the International Discography of the New Wave Vol.1 1980 has listings for Tom Petty[:0](but not Broooce)
Volume 1982/83 (which I picked up for about $60) has neither listed

Rip It Up and Start Again has references to Brooce, but in the context of how new wave/postpunk influenced "mainstream" rockers, e.g. introduction of keyboards/synths in "Dancing In the Dark")

Personnaly I think an argument can be made for Pat Benatar, mostly with reference to clothing/hair/make-up style. I have never bought any of her records.

[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]

Personnaly I think an argument can be made for Pat Benatar, mostly with reference to clothing/hair/make-up style.[b] I have never bought any of her records.[/b]
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Sure Schwenko, sure.

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[quote][i]Originally posted by rewind[/i]
<br>The authors greatly expanded this book in 1983 and called it, "The New Rock 'N' Roll: The A-Z Of Rock In The '80s."

As pointed out, it's significant that the original book was published in 1980...there was clearly a different perspective on what was considered "New Wave" back then; it doesn't make their choices necessarily right or wrong. Also, the book was written from an Australian viewpoint (one of the authors was an Australian music critic).

I read both these books when they were originally released and at the time they were amongst my favorites on the subject -- lively bios, great pics. Sure, nearly 30 years later my opinions may have evolved, but have you read ANY 80's discography where you agreed with 100% of the entries (except maybe the classic "International Discography Of The Wave" -- and that 730-page bible only covered until 1983!...get it at Amazon for only 163 bucks cheap!)?
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^ I agree.

Glenn A Baker is an absolute music guru of the highest standard. His collection is massive (he basically has a house that contains nothing but vinyl) and he has lived and breathed nothing else but music since he was in his teens.

TM

[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by rewind[/i]
<br>The authors greatly expanded this book in 1983 and called it, "The New Rock 'N' Roll: The A-Z Of Rock In The '80s."

As pointed out, it's significant that the original book was published in 1980...there was clearly a different perspective on what was considered "New Wave" back then; it doesn't make their choices necessarily right or wrong. Also, the book was written from an Australian viewpoint (one of the authors was an Australian music critic).

I read both these books when they were originally released and at the time they were amongst my favorites on the subject -- lively bios, great pics. Sure, nearly 30 years later my opinions may have evolved, but have you read ANY 80's discography where you agreed with 100% of the entries (except maybe the classic "International Discography Of The Wave" -- and that 730-page bible only covered until 1983!...get it at Amazon for only 163 bucks cheap!)?
[/quote]

Amazingly the International Discography of the New Wave Vol.1 1980 has listings for Tom Petty[:0](but not Broooce)
Volume 1982/83 (which I picked up for about $60) has neither listed

Rip It Up and Start Again has references to Brooce, but in the context of how new wave/postpunk influenced "mainstream" rockers, e.g. introduction of keyboards/synths in "Dancing In the Dark")

Personnaly I think an argument can be made for Pat Benatar, mostly with reference to clothing/hair/make-up style. I have never bought any of her records.
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Pat Benatar may have dressed up as a New Wave artist but the music said otherwise. It's like Rod Stewart's hair.