Another New Wave or Not New Wave survey

[schwenko]

[quote][i]Originally posted by beatschool[/i]
<br>I have a pretty narrow personal definition of what qualifies as New Wave, but I would definitely include late 70s/early 80s Crenshaw, Costello, Lowe, etc. simply because my group of friends listened to them. Any bands that I define as strictly New Wave faded to obscurity/went underground/folded when New Wave radio stations began disappearing and there wasn't really a wave to speak of anymore.

Who was the dingbat that kept claiming that Kylie Minogue was New Wave because she had been produced by Stock/Aitken/Waterman? That dude really had no clue about New Wave.
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http://www.nwoutpost.com/forum/topic.as ... ms=minogue

[eight6]

[quote][i]Originally posted by ekahob[/i]

Do you like the bands? Great! Enjoy them no matter what label anybody tries to put on them.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Instead of trying to pidgeonhole the music, just enjoy it. Almost every group/artist's music evolves...trying to put a static label on it is pointless.

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[beatschool]

[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by beatschool[/i]
<br>I have a pretty narrow personal definition of what qualifies as New Wave, but I would definitely include late 70s/early 80s Crenshaw, Costello, Lowe, etc. simply because my group of friends listened to them. Any bands that I define as strictly New Wave faded to obscurity/went underground/folded when New Wave radio stations began disappearing and there wasn't really a wave to speak of anymore.

Who was the dingbat that kept claiming that Kylie Minogue was New Wave because she had been produced by Stock/Aitken/Waterman? That dude really had no clue about New Wave.
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http://www.nwoutpost.com/forum/topic.as ... ms=minogue
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TY.

[hexicon]

I like Ekahob's point about listening to what you like but I must say that I agree with Swamp Thing's intial post--probably because I listened to the same stations he did (KZAM and KYYX). I considered all those artists NW back in the day and I still do.

The local hard rock station, KISW, played Costello and the Clash ca. 1978-79, and I just remember how incredibly *different* they sounded--spare and stripped down, the DIY ethic Ekahob mentions.

[WolverineSyr]

All are new wave to me. I was around in the late 70's those guys were different than the mainstream.

Just because new wave became a genre played by sourpuss, chinless, sweater boys doodling around a keyboard in the mid-80s doesn't erase the fact that there was great guitar based new wave beforehand.

[schwenko]

[quote][i]Originally posted by WolverineSyr[/i]
<br>All are new wave to me. I was around in the late 70's those guys were different than the mainstream.

Just because new wave became a genre played by sourpuss, chinless, sweater boys doodling around a keyboard in the mid-80s doesn't erase the fact that there was great guitar based new wave beforehand.
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I agree, but you are not considering this pearl of wisdom

"I suppose that in the 70's many bands were called new wave just because they had a different sound but with the introduction of synth based bands and later guitar based bands, New Wave has redefined its boundaries excluding therefore the so called new wave bands of the early years."

[:D][:D][:D][:D]

[WolverineSyr]

[quote][i]Originally posted by schwenko[/i]

I agree, but you are not considering this pearl of wisdom

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Well with that line of thinking, Chuck Berry & Elvis are no longer considered Rock & Roll, because the Beatles came along, but they are no longer Rock & Roll either because Led Zep came along...but then came arena rock of the 70's, but forget that because something voided that, which then redefined its boundaries excluding therefore the so called Rock & Roll.[;)]

[Moparmark]

I never did understand how Nick Lowe(pub/country rock),Declan McManus
ex folkie and Graham Parker(political rocker) ever got the new wave tag anyway.

[zill]

I was looking forward to reading this thread because I've been listening to Marshall Crenshaw a bit lately. I'm still on the fence since it sounds a little too close to the "new country" my dad (!) listens to today.

Anyway, f's response is the funniest thing I've read here for awhile!

[TragicMagic]

Ok.. so.. I have a question:

Is Neil Diamond new wave or not?


[:D]

TM

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Randall Roq[/i]
<br>Clearly people responding here are confusing what New Wave was compared to what it became.

Back in the day (the late 70's) Elvis Costello and Joe Jackson would easily qualify as New Wave. But to many folks nowadays New Wave has come to mean synths, electronics and day glo. That didn't come into the scene till much later (Early 80's).


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Exactly. Everyone Swampthing listed was considered new wave then and still should be now.

It shouldn't matter what genres the artists bramched out into later in their careers.

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[skinnytie]

Out of the 5 performers SwampThing listed, I would list them all as new wave with the slight possible exception of Marshall Crenshaw (he was always one of those performers who was borderline to me). Even though Nick Lowe was making music in the late 60's and early 70's, I still classify him as new wave; it was my first exposure to him, and hey, he was on the Stiff label! [:)] Most of the performers SwampThing listed came out of the whole British Pub Rock era, where a number of the future new wave acts would come from.

The first thread I EVER started here was about Dave Edmunds. The first response to my first thread was pretty much of a "oh, he's not new wave, why are you discussing him here" attitude. I dunno; new wave or not, I consider him part of the whole thing.

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by fanciz[/i]
<br>Hey Swampie, U are so funny! So according to you, any artist played on your station was automatically a new wave artist eheheheheh The fact is that New Wave is a world-wide phenomenon and considering that the bulk of new wave bands came from the UK, Australia, Germany etc, it is of no interest for new wavers to know that some bands were played on American stations or not. Those stations have never been a reference since most new wave bands didn't make it to the US in the first place. Going back to your question, I don't think that those artists deserve the New Wave tag. There used to be a debate as to whether Elvis Costello was punk or New Wave but personally I always thought that he was more punk than anything else. To be fair, I would say that some local new wave stations played Pump It Up and Veronica and a few songs of Joe Jackson like Steppin'Out and Breaking Us In Two, but they appeared in the playlists as guest artists rather than new wave artists.

http://de.music.yahoo.com/launchcast/st ... 1249492395
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LOL!!! Swampthing could only hope to be as funny as you are! What a perfectly crafted turd you've posted. [i]"The fact is that New Wave is a world-wide phenomenon and considering that the bulk of new wave bands came from the UK, Australia, Germany etc, it is of no interest for new wavers to know that some bands were played on American stations or not."[/i]...if you're not French by birth, you deserve citizenship: the arrogance of this statement is worthy of a Frenchman.

Again, LOL!!!

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<p align="justify">The only time I read fanciz's comments is when you quote them[:D] Hahaha. That shit writes itself!

For the original question, without a doubt, these kids were New Wave or had New Wave songs. What's ironic is that while I think of Marshall Crenshaw as "New Wave" (same as Stray Cats), I don't file Chris Isaak in the same bin!

[djcraig]

[quote][i]Originally posted by TragicMagic[/i]
<br>Ok.. so.. I have a question:

Is Neil Diamond new wave or not?
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Nah, he was more Punk.

Those early incarnations of "Sweet Caroline" used to inspire hysterical crowd moshing before he toned it down...



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[empyrean]

On my part, Elvis Costello is New Wave. ( my fave The Other Side Of Summer ). The others, i dont think so. [:D]