New Wave: Poser or Not?

[MARV]

Sean made an interesting comment in Blir's "Morrissey...and Mexicans?!" thread. He mentioned something along the lines of being able to spot the Morrissey fans who were just looking the part and not being "true fans". But this made me wonder about Wavers in general. Were you able to spot the posers back in the old days?

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[empyrean]

I hope im not a poser.

Although some bands ive mentioned arent New Wave to some here, its not as bad as the bands mentioned by another member here.

The Jesus And Mary Chain
Prefab Sprout
Soup Dragons
The Charlatans
Inspiral Carpets
even Wild Swans

But i do adore these bands

Depeche Mode
The Cure
New Order
OMD
Joy Division
Siouxie And The Banshees
X-mal Deutschland
The Smiths
Soft Cell
Lords Of The New Church
Sisters Of Mercy
A House
Kitchens of Distinction
Modern english
Bolshoi
Style Council
The Jam

Like i said, im here to learn what is New Wave in other countries and for you to know what is New Wave in my country. Were Worlds Apart you know. [:D]

I think i misunderstood the question. [:D][:D]


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[newwavepunkgirl]

Aren't ALL new-wavers posers though?! I mean the whole scene was abotu image as much as music so aren't we all posers?! [:D][}:)][:p][:I]

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[shovelbum]

[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepunkgirl[/i]
<br>Aren't ALL new-wavers posers though?! I mean the whole scene was abotu image as much as music so aren't we all posers?! [:D][}:)][:p][:I]

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Hmmm, I see your point, NWPG!

I always hated when people would toss the word "poser" around. Certainly it was irritating to get ripped up at school for being different and then the next year everyone was dressing like you always did. It was always particularly insulting when they adopted the style but didn't know the music. To me, the music IS the statement. I stopped dressing "different" around 1987. I found I made more of an impact if I dressed inconspicuously! (Although even then I couldn't conform- I ended up adopting more of a beatnik look than anything![:I]) People were always really surprised that I knew the music and had a great collection. LOL I remember my most irritated moment in high school was when this preppie girl who used to always rag on me came to school one day with a mohawk and proclaimed herself suddenly punk. I asked her what she thought about Jello Biafra and she was clueless. Soooo sad- what a waste of a good mohawk!!

To get back on track though,'back in the day' I found people liked to throw the word "poser" around loosely and it was really insulting to those of us who lived the life. Poser became a word that people used to suggest that they were MORE NW or punk than the next person. If you didn't go as extreme, or know as much obscure music as someone else, you were a poser. To my way of thinking that sullies the whole movement.

I was never called a poser until I moved out of my parents place and got a job. I had to dress nice for work and all my friends started suggesting I was a poser. This really irked me because I had to work if I was going to eat and live! My parents had both been very violent people, and dressing nice for work was a small sacrifice for me to live in liberty and safety.

At any rate, I'll say it again in closing: The music IS the statement! [:D]

"I drank what?" ~Socrates

[KYYX4ever]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
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Soooo sad- what a waste of a good mohawk!!
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lol! I think I may remember who you are talking about. Was it a girl whose name started with a "B" and rhymed with "idget" ? Heh.[:p]

Yeah, the posers were a pain in the butt. It was irritating if they didn't even know anything (or much) about the music; they just copied the look because it was kind of cool and cutting edge. (remember, these were the days before "alternative" was really used). At the time, it was supremely annoying. In retrospect, though, who cares---we were all just silly teenagers.

[shovelbum]

[quote][i]Originally posted by KYYX4ever[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
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Soooo sad- what a waste of a good mohawk!!
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lol! I think I may remember who you are talking about. Was it a girl whose name started with a "B" and rhymed with "idget" ? Heh.[:p]

Yeah, the posers were a pain in the butt. It was irritating if they didn't even know anything (or much) about the music; they just copied the look because it was kind of cool and cutting edge. (remember, these were the days before "alternative" was really used). At the time, it was supremely annoying. In retrospect, though, who cares---we were all just silly teenagers.
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amen to that!

(Yes, it was the idjit) [:D][;)]

"I drank what?" ~Socrates

[Mechi]

Well... there's a point in there. I saw that "poser" attitude very much when I went to see No. The other people at the beginning of the row were like "I love New Order, Crystal's great". But when you started talking to them, you came across the fact that they only knew about 7-10 New Order songs... no idea of most of the songs in Low Life, PC&A and Technique. Sad. [xx(]

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[Frank_Chickens]

When I go clubbing to 80's nights in London I describe myself as a vidkid/microkid as that's how I still feel I am whilst wearing my Pac-man regailia helps to confirm this! [:D]

Musically, I would refer to people who know all the big hits of famous 80's band but none of their more obscure stuff. My example of this is Duran Duran "fans" knowing Rio, Wild Boys, Hungry Like a Wolf etc. but not The Chauffeur.


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[ben_at_work]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Frank_Chickens[/i]
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My example of this is Duran Duran "fans" knowing Rio, Wild Boys, Hungry Like a Wolf etc. but not The Chauffeur.
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GREAT example there Frank [:D]

[empyrean]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Mechi[/i]
<br>Well... there's a point in there. I saw that "poser" attitude very much when I went to see No. The other people at the beginning of the row were like "I love New Order, Crystal's great". But when you started talking to them, you came across the fact that they only knew about 7-10 New Order songs... no idea of most of the songs in Low Life, PC&A and Technique. Sad. [xx(]

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Yo Mechi..although you didnt quote me, ill just say that New Order is very famous here (unlike some bands i see here). New Order became Mainstream here so all of their albums were released here. Good. Some bands mentioned here were not released in our country so we will have no chance to learn more about them. I have Technique. But my favorite song rom them is Dreams Never End which has another version titled Dreams Come True.

I just hope some obscure bands make it to our country. [:D]


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[empyrean]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Frank_Chickens

My example of this is Duran Duran "fans" knowing Rio, Wild Boys, Hungry Like a Wolf etc. but not The Chauffeur

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Good thing i posted The Chauffeur on the Favorite DD Song For The Day. [:D]




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[TheMunDial]

What the hell's a "The Chauffeur"? *Goes back to listen to "Rio"* Her name is Rio and she dances on the sand, just like that...mumble, mumble...dustly land...mumble, mumble...cough...Grand!

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Blue.

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[Sean]

Remember guys, you don't actually have to look New Wave to be a real New Waver. Some posers look very New Wave but when you ask them about the music, they know absolutely nothing. A lot of us, the New Wave Outpost people, probably do not look anything like a New Waver now but we know we are true New Wavers.

[newwavepunkgirl]

[quote][i]Originally posted by shovelbum[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by newwavepunkgirl[/i]
<br>Aren't ALL new-wavers posers though?! I mean the whole scene was abotu image as much as music so aren't we all posers?! [:D][}:)][:p][:I]

Devolution is real
[/quote]

Hmmm, I see your point, NWPG!

I always hated when people would toss the word "poser" around. Certainly it was irritating to get ripped up at school for being different and then the next year everyone was dressing like you always did. It was always particularly insulting when they adopted the style but didn't know the music. To me, the music IS the statement. I stopped dressing "different" around 1987. I found I made more of an impact if I dressed inconspicuously! (Although even then I couldn't conform- I ended up adopting more of a beatnik look than anything![:I]) People were always really surprised that I knew the music and had a great collection. LOL I remember my most irritated moment in high school was when this preppie girl who used to always rag on me came to school one day with a mohawk and proclaimed herself suddenly punk. I asked her what she thought about Jello Biafra and she was clueless. Soooo sad- what a waste of a good mohawk!!

To get back on track though,'back in the day' I found people liked to throw the word "poser" around loosely and it was really insulting to those of us who lived the life. Poser became a word that people used to suggest that they were MORE NW or punk than the next person. If you didn't go as extreme, or know as much obscure music as someone else, you were a poser. To my way of thinking that sullies the whole movement.

I was never called a poser until I moved out of my parents place and got a job. I had to dress nice for work and all my friends started suggesting I was a poser. This really irked me because I had to work if I was going to eat and live! My parents had both been very violent people, and dressing nice for work was a small sacrifice for me to live in liberty and safety.

At any rate, I'll say it again in closing: The music IS the statement! [:D]

"I drank what?" ~Socrates
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Thanks for tellign me your storyy, was a good read! I know EXACTLY what you mean and it still aheppens today, like it's trendy to wear rock t-shorts, i feel liek goign up to the people wearing Ramones t-shirts and asking them their favorite song! And you see punk stuff everywhere, it's hard to tell who is really into alternative or just dressing the fashion! I HATE that because peopel will start wonderign if I'm a poser too! I knwo what you mean about dressing normal but I tend to morph into other thigns too. I don't mind htings with skulls beign in fashion though as I LOVE them, I even got a calculator wiht skulls on it the other day! I get alot of stuff from 'Claire's' still I knwo I liek the music so if quizzed on it I'll pass, I NEVER wear a band t-shirt if I dont' liek them or know their music. But you get peopel that do that. What annoys me abotu people dressing alternative and not being into the music is that when it goes out of style they will follow the next trend but we are still there no matter how we choose to dress. That is a wase of a mohawk! I always kidna wanted one liek Anabella Lewin had (too lazy to spike it and I'm kinda tall anyhow)but the prospect of beign laughed at all over this narrow-minded town annoys me, mind you, when I get bedhead it looks like I have amini mowhawk sometimes since I cut my hair short! LOL![:D]

Luv Natasha

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[newwavepunkgirl]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Frank_Chickens[/i]
<br>When I go clubbing to 80's nights in London I describe myself as a vidkid/microkid as that's how I still feel I am whilst wearing my Pac-man regailia helps to confirm this! [:D]

Musically, I would refer to people who know all the big hits of famous 80's band but none of their more obscure stuff. My example of this is Duran Duran "fans" knowing Rio, Wild Boys, Hungry Like a Wolf etc. but not The Chauffeur.


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"As chairman of the Cradle of Filth fanclub I'm the most insensitive man in Britain, but even I can see there's tension there"

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Not me! I was only 10 when I got 'Rio' but I knew all the tracks and soem of the b-sides form earlier signels too! 'Faster than light' and 'late bar' were favs, still are actually...

Luv natasha

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