Don't Forget 9/11

[i_like_lectric_motors]

Thanks, but I prefer to remember the perpetrators as well as the victims. Burying our heads in the sand isn't the way to honor anyone. We NEED to question, ESPECIALLY today or we'll only be asking "WHY?" the next time it happens.

[edisonoside]

One of the biggest and least known hero of 911 is William Rodriguez. Rodriguez was a janitor in in the WTC. On 911 he helped save hundreds of people in the tower.

There might be a movie detailing his accounts soon.

[stella]

Isn't a holiday a celebration? Equating 9/11 with the 4th of July seems wrong, a national day of mourning maybe. I think it's sick that we make fictionalized movies about it and watch them. Like watching the reality is insufficient. We got to go over every detail and make something more of it than what it was, a moment of raw human horror. We watched real people jump to their deaths. We know real people were trapped, burned, choked and suffered horribly. We have their calls to loved ones, first hand accounts of survivors and endless live video tape. Shouldn’t that be enough? Doesn’t it say something about our culture that’s kind of embarrassing at least?

I think it should become a national day of mourning with the real footage shown in real time as the only television "event". The whole thing screams for dignity.

[hutter]

[quote][i]Originally posted by stella[/i]
<br>Isn't a holiday a celebration? Equating 9/11 with the 4th of July seems wrong, a national day of mourning maybe. I think it's sick that we make fictionalized movies about it and watch them. Like watching the reality is insufficient. We got to go over every detail and make something more of it than what it was, a moment of raw human horror. We watched real people jump to their deaths. We know real people were trapped, burned, choked and suffered horribly. We have their calls to loved ones, first hand accounts of survivors and endless live video tape. Shouldn’t that be enough? Doesn’t it say something about our culture that’s kind of embarrassing at least?

I think it should become a national day of mourning with the real footage shown in real time as the only television "event". The whole thing screams for dignity.
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This is something we both agree on 100%.

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[Panorama]

[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>9 what?

I'm just Keeeeeeding![/quote]

Now why would that be funny?[/quote][quote]http://www.nwoutpost.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15137
[i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
...it would be hypocritical of me to begrudge others' right to free speech just because I disagree with them.[/quote]
Marv,

1. It's my country too. I was born in Texas, lived in Ohio for 23 years and Arizona for 16 years, and my family has been in the US since early in this country's history (the 1600's).

2. Your version of patriotism does not make you more patriotic than me just because I make a joke about the short term memory of most of this country -- sorry you didn't get the sarcasam (I also used the SNL sketch tag line "I'm just Keeeeeeding!" -- I thought most people had seen that several years ago).

3. Mission accomplished -- remember that banner from our current president. Maybe if he focused on Osama instead if invading Iraq, which he admits has nothing to do with 9/11, we'd have that bastard killed or captured by now. MOre people have died in the Iraq war than 9/11 -- and most people in the country could care less about the civilain casualties -- As Jon Stewart said about Bush "it's the least you can feel"

(Edited to include Marv's post from Topic 15137)
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[MARV]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>9 what?

I'm just Keeeeeeding![/quote]

Now why would that be funny?[/quote][quote]http://www.nwoutpost.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15137
[i]Originally posted by marvymarv[/i]
...it would be hypocritical of me to begrudge others' right to free speech just because I disagree with them.[/quote]
Marv,

1. It's my country too. I was born in Texas, lived in Ohio for 23 years and Arizona for 16 years, and my family has been in the US since early in this country's history (the 1600's).

2. Your version of patriotism does not make you more patriotic than me just because I make a joke about the short term memory of most of this country -- sorry you didn't get the sarcasam (I also used the SNL sketch tag line "I'm just Keeeeeeding!" -- I thought most people had seen that several years ago).

3. Mission accomplished -- remember that banner from our current president. Maybe if he focused on Osama instead if invading Iraq, which he admits has nothing to do with 9/11, we'd have that bastard killed or captured by now. MOre people have died in the Iraq war than 9/11 -- and most people in the country could care less about the civilain casualties -- As Jon Stewart said about Bush "it's the least you can feel"

(Edited to include Marv's post from Topic 15137)
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[/quote]

Dude, WTF?

1. No one said it was'nt your country and so what if your family was here since who cares when? Could you be suggesting a hierarchy for citizenship? Political sway?

2. Who said anything about patriotism? And feel free to make all the jokes you want. Don't even feel the need to apologize for them. Your adoring public looks forward to them [xx(]

3. If I can just echo Glokstdat's sentiment, "Too bad that the 5-year anniversary of the event has turned into a political battleground....."

And maybe I can add:

4. Maybe you would'nt have brought up all this unpleasantness if you were'nt so ready to be offended [:(]

**Bracing self for spelling error rebuttal**

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[phillyidol]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Panorama[/i]
<br>9 what?

I'm just Keeeeeeding!

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WOW! You just keep proving your an ass, over and over.

[Bitter Almonds]

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Honestly, coping with the situation with a dark sense of humour is something I'd do as well. It's fucked up and sad what happened. I have the choices of dealing with it by either feeling angry, sad, or with humour. Being able to laugh in the face of tragedy does not mean I agree with what happened, or think that they "deserved it," etc. It might seem disrespectful, but, again, this is such a fucked-up incident to begin with that we can't force everyone to deal with it directly. Another thing's that e-thugging each other here only chips away at the dynamics of the place - unless you're all having fun doing this. If that's the case, then by all means[}:)]


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[eight6]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]

Honestly, coping with the situation with a dark sense of humour is something I'd do as well.

[/quote]

So do I, it's just that I thought Coogan's comment was, well, stupid...and nowhere near funny, on any level.

[quote]

Another thing's that e-thugging each other here only chips away at the dynamics of the place - unless you're all having fun doing this. If that's the case, then by all means[}:)]
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All in fun XXX, all in fun.[}:)]

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[DJ Wave]

In remembrance of the 5th Year Anniversary of 9/11, friends and family have helped pull together some incredible touching songs to honor those that lost their lives that day. Tune in tonight at 9:00 PM EST Repeated 3:00 AM EST on Flashbackalternatives.com. You can catch the stream on Itunes, via the site or at 1.FM.

Please stop by the site and say hello!

[glokstadt]

I saw many good programs, and the ABC one was really bad! [V] I spent some time reflecting today, talkig to friends, and thinking that we can be attacked at any time... no safer 5 years later... to hear the President's speach tonight, he said some positive things, and at the same time stated that the Iraq war had nothing to do with his original reasons for invasion regarding WMDs, or terrorists that Saddam was supporting, etc.

A family was being interviewed in Iraq on CNN this morning, and they stated that Saddam hated extreme Islam and Al-Qada (spell it any way you want to), and now they have overun their country thanks to the invasion of the U.S. -- we made a mess there -- meanwhile in Afganistan, where our Number One Enemy is, or was, Bin Ladin, the Taliban are taking over/back areas they once influenced, and we don't seem to care... sad. [:(]

This seems to be the logic of our current governemnt, not to say the Clinton Admin. did any better in addressing world-wide terrorism.

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And now for a short story, since I have none from 9/11 to tell. My Armenian friend's son, Yuri went over to Iraq as a Marine (now he can apply for citizenship faster, since the family has not been here five years yet), and an IED exploded near his head! Now he has constant ringing in his ear, massive headaches since being back after two years there, he's not "adjusting" back into home life or society. He is on disability pay for his "injuries" that he recieved in combat -- if it were not for his helmat, he would be dead! He wants to work and go to community college on his GI benefits, but just cannot concentrate or focus on anything right now, and he's been back for at least 8 or 9 months! As Panarama/Dan would probally agree, a picture paints a thousand words, so I leave you with a snap-shot of him and his buddy...

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(I hope the photo is not too big! Yuri is on the left!)

P.S. -- Fighting about whose family has lived here the longest (my parents came to the US in 1961), spelling errors (I'm really bad, as English was not my first lanuage), dark humor (I'm right up their with the morbitity), etc.

P.S.S. -- I can take ribbing and joking, I'm sure I've dished a few out in the small number of posts so far here at NWO -- my point here is that being an American (sorry South Americans, etc.) we have a common thread/bind, and this country was built with the sweat of immigrants (and let's not go there, regarding illegal ones [;)], that's another whole topic) of our forefathers and foremothers. We're proud, just like anyone else from their own homeland, and those who immigrat have a double love for their past homeland, and their new homeland... I think that's what makes us great and unique on the globe. Wishing you all a great day yesterday (still today 09/11/06 though) and will do so on 09/12/06! -Gerald [:)]

[n/a13]

I don't think any words can do this justice.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xoxxix0QQdU

[MARV]

Thanks for the contribution Glokstadt. An honest and well meaning straight shooter. I like that [8D]

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[ben_at_work]

[quote][i]Originally posted by glokstadt[/i]
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All the thanks in the world to your buddy Yuri. Hope things work out well for him... He deserves it!

[hutter]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- "The percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington has risen from almost a third to almost half over the past four years, a CNN poll released Monday found.

Asked whether they blame the Bush administration for the attacks, 45 percent said either a "great deal" or a "moderate amount," up from 32 percent in a June 2002 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

But the Clinton administration did not get off lightly either. The latest poll, conducted by Opinion Research Corporation for CNN, found that 41 percent of respondents blamed his administration a "great deal" or a "moderate amount" for the attacks. (Read the complete poll results -- PDF)

That's only slightly less than the 45 percent who blamed his administration in a poll carried out less than a week after the attacks.

Still, most Americans appear to be fatalistic, with more than half -- 57 percent -- saying they think that terrorists will "always find a way to launch attacks no matter what the U.S. government does."

The poll was carried out August 30 through September 2 by Opinion Research Corp. with 1,004 American adults questioned by telephone. The sampling error for the questions was 3 percentage points."
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To all the conspiracy theory and blame game players here:

CNN is a sneaky little piece of shit. How about a third choice added to the Bush and/or Clinton question. Does anyone here blame the terrorists for 911?

I don't think Bush or Clinton caused 911 to happen. Had Gore been elected, then 911 would never had happened...yeah? How about Kerry? Jeezus Christ.... that would have stopped the terrorists cold .... right?

911 would have happened no matter what. That day was on the terrorist's agenda to happen......fuck all this finger pointing at our policies and our leaders.....it's the Goddamn terrorists' and their fucked up idealogy fault.

Blaming the deaths during 9-11 on anyone but the terrorists is disrespectful of the folks that died that day. I'm sure when they saw those planes coming at them they didn't see Bush in the fucking cockpit.

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