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I can't believe I'm hearing some Democrats say that GW's veto of the stem cell bill could be a rallying point in the upcoming elections.

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IT'S NOT A RALLYING POINT!!!!! Republicans have to be laughing their asses off. There apparently isn't a single freakin' brain cell left in the Dem think tank. I firmly believe Americans right now care about feeding their families and real safety at home. Everything else is WAY down on the priority list. Abortion? Stem cells? Gay Marriage? That stuff will only divide and continue to feed into the Cons hands to dupe the majority of American Idiots.

Fed funding for stem cells? All the top researchers can easily play a shell game where they spend their non-Fed money on private cell lines and spend their Fed money elsewhere. The Fed stem cells are tainted and suck anyway - a huge non-issue which the Cons will smartly make an issue of anyway...yet again!

Come on you Lib dipshits...get a real agenda together and quick before you blow another election with sheer stupidity! AAAARGH!!!!

Agreed,

Just goes to show what straws Dems are grasping at.[B)]

IMO It's all about our do nothing elected representatives on BOTH sides of the issue who now get to go home for the summer to their respective constituencies throwing their hands up saying "Hey look! I tried!.. remember me in November!"

It's the same B.S. as always.[V]

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Hey, a headline which speaks to me! I'm going to adopt this as the title of my classroom-to-parent newsletter.

[quote]Originally posted by Blir
I firmly believe Americans right now care about feeding their families and real safety at home.
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The only things I'd add to that list are health care for themselves and their families and the price of gas

I agree that if this is the best the Democratic leadership has to come up with as a party platform, Republicans will be smiling in Novmeber.

That being said, some of the right-wing pundits' views on this subject irritate the hell of out me. My reply to some of the rants I've heard in public about this goes something like this,

"So I understand you think that stem-cell research is abhorrant, and you are morally and ethically opposed to it. Fair enough. Here is a legally binding document stating that if any significant medical advances or cures come from said research, you forfeit your right to the benefits of said research" In other words, put your money where your large mouth is...

(For those thinking I'm attacking conservatives only on this, I feel the same way about those who protest or damage/destroy medical labs that use animals in research. NO drug or device comes to market in the U.S. without animal testing)

There are two kinds of people who care about this:

1. Those who think stem cell research = killing babies,

2. Those who think stem cell research = the only hope (or at least a promising avenue) for finding a cure for some unpleasant medical condition suffered by me or my loved one.

I'm very much in camp #2. I agree to a certain extent that the research will continue in the US and elsewhere even if Bush vetoes it, but I'd like to see federal funding go forward.

I hear you and your rant. I can't believe this is a political issue. It does make the Dems look desperate and the GOP look sanctimonious. It's soooooo not political !
Scramjet said it well with his #1 and his #2. I'm with #2....if I were ever in some horrible car accident and was paralyzed as a result, I'd sure like to think stem cell research would provide some hope in paralysis recovery. Like Christopher Reeve and his wife Dana were fighting for.
This is why other countries around the world, who don't get hung up on the "alleged" political non-aspect of this, are far ahead of us in this area. A recent [i]National Geographic[/i] had a swell writeup on this issue.

Stem cells... in my opinion, the key to cure many illnesses but of course, they can also be the seed of the start of what I anyway fear it may happen.... genetical selection of those human beings superior. Superior in which way??? Probably physically.
Stem cells=killing babies???? Ummmm, tough one. Yes, if you manipulate stem cells at your free will, you are killing cells that have the potential to become human beings.


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You have to love how some conservatives have no problem accepting the loss of 1,000's of lives in an unnecessary war yet rally against the use of an organism that would have ended up destroyed anyway as a waste of human life. WTF?

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yeah motors,
and I wonder why Bush's "culture of life" doesn't extend to the Death Penalty Express lane in TX, either ?[xx(]

Newsweek has a piece on this in the current issue. It says the Dems see this as a wedge issue to separate the moderate GOP from the more conservative - which appears to be the case in a closely contested race in Missouri. Several GOP icons, like Nancy Reagan and Frist, are very, much in favor of the issue, so it could be one that does cause some issues for the hardliners in the party.

It's all in the marketing I think. It's being aligned as an abortion issue. I don't get it.

They think tobacco manufacturers are the master marketers - just look to Washington...

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Totally agree with you lectric....and it should be left up to the parents of those embryos to decide what they want to do with them, not the gov't.