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lol... Indian Givers.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:38 pm
by Bitter Almonds
<p align="justify">Oh, man. I wouldn't wanna be this "winner"[}:)]

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Posted on Fri, Sep. 08, 2006



Jackpot winner left between Hard Rock, hard place
A Sunny Isles Beach man thought he won nearly $260,000 at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino -- until casino officials told him there was a computer malfunction.
BY TODD WRIGHT
twright@MiamiHerald.com

For about three hours, Freddy Howard was showered with all the glamour and glory he had ever dreamed of.

The struggling actor was told he had just won a $260,000 jackpot at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino near Hollywood in the early hours of Aug. 29.

Complete strangers were asking to take pictures with him. Others ran up to hug him, and casino employees shook his hands.

Howard, 53, even took a picture with a giant cardboard check displaying his winnings.

Then, Howard said managers at the hotel told him it was all a mistake.

'They just said, `You know the jackpot that you won? We're not going to pay it,' '' said Howard, who lives in Sunny Isles Beach and goes to the casino five times a week.

``It was like I was in a movie. I couldn't believe it.''

After parading Howard around as the winner of the jackpot for hours, hotel gaming officials called him into an empty room later in the day to tell him the kiosk that declared him the winner had malfunctioned, Howard said.

''I'm not sure what caused the error, but officials that night did think initially that the person had won,'' confirmed Gary Bitner, a Seminole Tribe spokesman.

In a short press release, Hard Rock officials said they were investigating.

``As with many casino jackpots, a verification process occurred. This verification process confirmed that the prize had not been won. Seminole Tribal Gaming Commission is reviewing and investigating the patron complaint of the alleged winning.''

The Hard Rock, as part of the Seminole Indian reservation, is considered a sovereign nation -- so it isn't governed by state or local law. So Howard may have no place to turn.

''We don't regulate the Seminole Indians anywhere in Florida,'' said Tom Butler, deputy press secretary for the state Department of Business and Professional Regulation. ``We are hands-off. It's how the federal government tells us we have to be. It's a difficult situation.''

Howard was playing the Swipe and Win Progressive jackpot, a free promotion run at the Hard Rock that's aimed at regular customers. Players swipe their Players Club cards as they enter the casino. The cards accumulate bonus points every time a patron plays a slot machine or game, according to the Hard Rock website.

Winners can win as little as $5, a T-shirt or a free stay at the hotel. Big winners, which Howard thought he was, hit the jackpot, which can be hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Howard said the hostess and the casino supervisor confirmed that he was the winner of the $259,945.75 jackpot. They verified his Players Club membership card and identification and made him sign a publicity release agreement, which allows the Hard Rock to use his name and picture in any promotional campaign.

Then came the big check that read, ``Pay To: The lucky winner.''

Howard, who does voice-overs for Spanish radio commercials, called his father and sister, who drove from their homes to join him for the photo session. It felt like the paparazzi, Howard said.

'Everyone was so happy. I just kept saying, `Oh, my God. i can't believe I won,' '' he said. ``The whole time I am thanking everybody and hugging everybody.''

But Howard became concerned when he asked for his winnings and was told he had to wait until later that morning. Almost 15 hours later, straight-faced casino officials told Howard that he had won nothing.

He understood they might not be able to give him all $260,000, but he asked for $15,000 so he could go play the slots and ''tip everybody.'' Instead, the hostess brought him $200 in casino money and a $50 restaurant coupon.

After he used up the $200, Howard checked back again to collect his jackpot but was told to go to his room and that he would be called when it was time to collect. It was about 9 a.m., Howard said.

He called back every hour and was told to wait. Then, he was told a meeting was being set up at 4 p.m., almost 15 hours after the kiosk pronounced Howard the jackpot winner.

In a 10-minute meeting in a quiet room once used for bingo, straight-faced officials told Howard that he had won nothing.

''If there was no jackpot won, why did they bring me the jackpot check?'' Howard said.

People are constantly asking Howard for an update on his situation, but he has no answer. Officials at the Hard Rock won't return his calls.

He's hired an attorney, Keith Herbert, but his lawyer isn't getting any answers.

So far, all Howard has to show for his fleeting jackpot are a few blurry pictures in his sister's cellphone.

''Nobody appears to be accountable for what goes on over there,'' Herbert said. ``If it is a mistake, well, then, bite the bullet and pay up.''






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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:55 am
by i_like_lectric_motors
LOL ... greatest thread title ever! [:D]

You would have to post this the day before I make a road trip to the casino. [:0][|)]

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:06 am
by deethelurker
Oh, that casino hasn't a leg to stand on. If the machine said the man won the jackpot, even if it's a "malfunction", they are compelled to pay him the jackpot sum. They have to be. He didn't arrive at the jackpot via trickery. He won it fair and square, and there is no way you can tell me he should be expected to accept what amounts to comparative peanuts. I hope Mr. Howard hired a dragon of a lawyer who will ensure that he practically OWNS that casino.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:55 am
by stella
[quote][i]Originally posted by deethelurker[/i]
<br>Oh, that casino hasn't a leg to stand on. If the machine said the man won the jackpot, even if it's a "malfunction", they are compelled to pay him the jackpot sum. They have to be. He didn't arrive at the jackpot via trickery. He won it fair and square, and there is no way you can tell me he should be expected to accept what amounts to comparative peanuts. I hope Mr. Howard hired a dragon of a lawyer who will ensure that he practically OWNS that casino.
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Do the words sovereign nation ring any bells in your head? What compels them? Not our laws, not our courts, not our police, maybe the UN?
Fair and square, there's no such thing and anyone who uses these casinos is asking for it.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:04 am
by deethelurker
[quote][i]Originally posted by stella[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by deethelurker[/i]
<br>Oh, that casino hasn't a leg to stand on. If the machine said the man won the jackpot, even if it's a "malfunction", they are compelled to pay him the jackpot sum. They have to be. He didn't arrive at the jackpot via trickery. He won it fair and square, and there is no way you can tell me he should be expected to accept what amounts to comparative peanuts. I hope Mr. Howard hired a dragon of a lawyer who will ensure that he practically OWNS that casino.
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Do the words sovereign nation ring any bells in your head? What compels them? Not our laws, not our courts, not our police, maybe the UN?
Fair and square, there's no such thing and anyone who uses these casinos is asking for it.

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Okay, pardon me. For some weird reason I skipped over the fact that this was a Hard Rock casino on tribal land. Well if that isn't the most ridiculous thing.... I guess it does teach someone never to go to a tribal-run casino because they'll be able to pull this kind of thing without legal consumer protections. Maybe this kind of thing will mean adverse publicity for tribal casinos throughout the country. Maybe people will end up sticking to Vegas or Atlantic City. (Is that latter one run by any tribes? I only know about Vegas.) I know I personally will warn any of my family, friends, co-workers, and other associates against going to tribal casinos.

(Thank God the aboriginal part of me is from the native peoples of Mexico. If it'd been Native American, I'd have just died a death from embarrassment over this.)

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:31 am
by WolverineSyr
I think Native Americans have to follow the same hard laws as the rest of the population. I suspect that fair game and gambling laws also apply to them. They do have to come to an agreement with whichever state they run their casinos in.

I woudn't condemn all Native Americans because one group in one tribe decided to be dicks.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:19 am
by deethelurker
[quote][i]Originally posted by WolverineSyr[/i]
<br>I think Native Americans have to follow the same hard laws as the rest of the population. I suspect that fair game and gambling laws also apply to them. They do have to come to an agreement with whichever state they run their casinos in.

I woudn't condemn all Native Americans because one group in one tribe decided to be dicks.
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You are just FULL of good points today. Thank you for enlightening me about the rules and regulations for tribal casinos (and for tribal communities in general) and for reminding me that painting with broad strokes is not a good way of bringing life to the true picture.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:59 pm
by Bitter Almonds
<p align="justify">Wait. I change my mind. I WANT to be this winner. The casino buckled and gave 'im the dough![:0] They still claim he didn't win, but they opted to be cool about it and hand out the cash. That's awersome. We can all now safely bet on Seminole casinos again[8D]