World War III

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]
Neutral stance? Israel has shown itself to be an ally to western civilization and respects our right to exist and the religious choices we make (or chose not to make)...the vast majority of Islamic nations will not be happy until every non muslim (invidel) is either converted or dead. Guess who sensible folks are going to back?

BTW: are you a muslim? You sure sound like one. Keep hate alive!
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Pray tell, who was caught spying in the US? Iran, Syria, or Israel? If you think Israel has our interests in mind, then you're not looking at the whole picture here. Who fought with us in Afghanistan? Israel? Who is fighting with us in Iraq? Israel? People think Israel is there to do our bidding, but it's the other way around when later on we will be the ones who will have to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah in our home turf. To Israel, it doesn't matter if we end up bearing the brunt of their problems, so why should we? Again, if you're of the belief that the US should mediate this mess, then the best way to do it is taking a neutral stance in the matter. We're not getting anywhere near an agreement at this pace, wouldn't you agree? Hell, at this point, I have to ask you the obvious because I'm beginning to doubt your ability to scrape a brain cell or two to form a synapse.

[hutter]

[quote][i]Originally posted by XXX[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]
Neutral stance? Israel has shown itself to be an ally to western civilization and respects our right to exist and the religious choices we make (or chose not to make)...the vast majority of Islamic nations will not be happy until every non muslim (invidel) is either converted or dead. Guess who sensible folks are going to back?

BTW: are you a muslim? You sure sound like one. Keep hate alive!
[/quote]

Pray tell, who was caught spying in the US? Iran, Syria, or Israel? If you think Israel has our interests in mind, then you're not looking at the whole picture here. Who fought with us in Afghanistan? Israel? Who is fighting with us in Iraq? Israel? People think Israel is there to do our bidding, but it's the other way around when later on we will be the ones who will have to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah in our home turf. To Israel, it doesn't matter if we end up bearing the brunt of their problems, so why should we? Again, if you're of the belief that the US should mediate this mess, then the best way to do it is taking a neutral stance in the matter. We're not getting anywhere near an agreement at this pace, wouldn't you agree? Hell, at this point, I have to ask you the obvious because I'm beginning to doubt your ability to scrape a brain cell or two to form a synapse.
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Spend a tour in the middle east, then we can talk. until then, I'm not going to bother responding to uninformed claims gleamed from the far left media.

Have a nice day! [:)]

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]
<Spend a tour in the middle east, then we can talk. until then, I'm not going to bother responding to uninformed claims gleamed from the far left media.

Have a nice day! [:)]
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Look at hutter cop out of a line of simple questions. Like I said, I sometimes overestimate the linthead.

[Frau_Blucher]

XXX, what got me so hot-headed is that you invoked Hamas and Hezbollah as part of the reasons for supporting or not supporting one side or another. I find that to be so outrageous that I cannot even hear the rest of your argument. That and your biased lashing of Jews and Christians at the exclusion of the equally guilty Muslims and do-nothing Europeans is supremely ludicrous. Appeasing the threat from some evil should not be part of any equation for peace. Right should be right based on right alone.

As for Stella, in her short time here, she has participated in a grand total of two music threads - fucking two! She is here to to shit-stir and has found an overly lax environment that freely allows it. If there's outrageous counter-commentary, blame her baiting.

It offends the senses of decent thinking people when she consistently goes off on her half-cocked spew then cries that others are name-calling for having called a spade a spade. Stop your crying and stop the conceit that it's me and not you, because it IS you - overt idiocy DOES deserve ridicule.

Polarizing spew will be met with the same, as MikeP predicted in your other thread and as has happened here. It undermines any credibility to whatever truths your statements might have. Idiots like you fuel the neo-con fire and illegitimizes any reasonable argument. This normally amusing brainlessness has turned into an unbearable assault on the idea that humans are capable of any reason whatsoever.

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
<br>XXX, what got me so hot-headed is that you invoked Hamas and Hezbollah as part of the reasons for supporting or not supporting one side or another. I find that to be so outrageous that I cannot even hear the rest of your argument. That and your biased lashing of Jews and Christians at the exclusion of the equally guilty Muslims and do-nothing Europeans is supremely ludicrous. Appeasing the threat from some evil should not be part of any equation for peace. Right should be right based on right alone.[/quote]

I fail to see where I stated I side with Hamas and Hezbollah when I have been writing about taking a neutral stance. That means I don't side with either group. Of course, radical jizzlamists are gonna side with Hezbollah and Hamas no matter what acts of terrorism they do - just like zionists and kooky xtians the likes of Joseph Lieberman and Pat Robertson side with Israel no matter what terrorist acts they commit (because of their crazy belief that "God chose these people"). They're both crazy and to take a side in the matter, as a supposed third party and mediator, makes one just as crazy. If you equate taking a neutral stance for our benefit as "appeasing", then I can't say anything more. I'm not for bearing [i]their[/i] burden. I am for mediating this matter and discussing this. You think the only way to deal with Hezbollah and Hamas is by siding with Israel and through bombing Lebanon to hell? How has that worked for anyone lately... or ever in that circumstance?

[MikeP]

Part of the problem is that everyone is so trigger-happy it's hard to debate any of the "tough" issues anymore. You can lay out a whole slew discussion points and make some well-reasoned observations, but if someone doesn't agree on so much as one point ... BANG! A single naive misstep on anyone's part shouldn't necessitate a denouncement of everything they've ever posted ... I mean, this isn't high school or anything! Don't bother me with the facts, my mind's made up![;)]

"He seems reasonably intelligent, his ideas are well thought out... Ah! He's full of shit!" --George Carlin

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by MikeP[/i]
<br>Part of the problem is that everyone is so trigger-happy it's hard to debate any of the "tough" issues anymore. You can lay out a whole slew discussion points and make some well-reasoned observations, but if someone doesn't agree on so much as one point ... BANG! A single naive misstep on anyone's part shouldn't necessitate a denouncement of everything they've ever posted ... I mean, this isn't high school or anything! Don't bother me with the facts, my mind's made up![;)]

"He seems reasonably intelligent, his ideas are well thought out... Ah! He's full of shit!" --George Carlin
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I often say I don't use tact when communicating anonymously, but at the very least I don't start off responding to members I disagree with by questioning their intelligence. At least, I don't remember calling anyone "retarded", "stupid", "idiot", etc. unprovoked/just from reading a comment I disagree with.

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by MikeP[/i]
<br>Part of the problem is that everyone is so trigger-happy it's hard to debate any of the "tough" issues anymore. You can lay out a whole slew discussion points and make some well-reasoned observations, but if someone doesn't agree on so much as one point ... BANG! A single naive misstep on anyone's part shouldn't necessitate a denouncement of everything they've ever posted ... I mean, this isn't high school or anything! Don't bother me with the facts, my mind's made up![;)]
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What?! Have you been around here AT ALL lately Mike? It's not some "single" misstep. There are people here with consistent shit-stirring agendas. Are you excusing them while accusing only the people they've inflamed? OMG Mike. THAT'S outrageous! Tell me that's NOT what you're saying!

And XXX, I didn't say you sided with Hamas and Hezbollah. I said you "invoked" them, specifically "seeming" to infer that fear of making enemies with evil should somehow enter into our considerations. The anti-semitic and anti-christain comments and the polarized article you posted afterward certainly seemed to point to a bias rather than neutrality. I'm not buying your "neutrality" backpedalling.

As to the issue itself, believe me, I live in Connecticut and I will have the great honor of trying to vote out Leiberman in our primaries tomorrow. He is a snake who has subverted his liberal constituency. I'm just not going to sell my soul for some sensationalist shit-stirring that makes no sense whatsoever.

[MikeP]

I've agreed and disagreed with points made by just about Allah ya's: Hutter, Stella, Blir, XXX, etc. in this thread and elsewhere, but I don't feel the need to shoot someone down and put them on my shit list for all time. I seem to recall more than a few people agreeing with Stella at one time or another only to resort to mockery again. It seems to boil down to egos more often than not. Nothing that a little self-deprecation or "sorry, I was wrong or mistaken" can't cure![:I] Of course there will never be a shortage of people eager to tell you you're an idiot whenever you do concede.

Even I catch my share of passive-aggressive needling due to my tendency for being overly-diplomatic. I don't like to make or take things personal ... just part of my nature. Some people seem to resent that. Hey, I'm just trying to figure out why everything is so f***ed like the rest of you and still cling to some crumb of optimism and maybe have a few laughs along the way.

[Frau_Blucher]

[quote][i]Originally posted by MikeP[/i]
<br>I seem to recall more than a few people agreeing with Stella at one time or another only to resort to mockery again.
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Now what could possibly cause that? Or don't you think it's causal and the shitting is somehow spontaneous? Call me crazy to believe that sometimes a history of counter-productive incite should matter and get you called out as much if not more than the harpers who may just be disgusted by it. Talk about appeasement. Jesus.

[Bitter Almonds]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Blir[/i]
And XXX, I didn't say you sided with Hamas and Hezbollah. I said you "invoked" them, specifically "seeming" to infer that fear of making enemies with evil should somehow enter into our considerations. The anti-semitic and anti-christain comments and the polarized article you posted afterward certainly seemed to point to a bias rather than neutrality. I'm not buying your "neutrality" backpedalling.[/quote]

- I misread you then. I thought when you said that "extremists" will take my brainless comments into consideration... when I specifically said "we need to take a neutral stance for our own sake." So, what are you talking about? I'm not "backpedalling". I stated from the onset it's about taking a neutral stance. It's right in front of everyone.

- "Anti-semitic"? That would also include Arabs, right? After all, they trace their ancestry back to Isaac and Jacob. That's as old as uber-PC folk crying "racism" and "sexism" whenever a thought that differs from theirs discomfits them. You can "see" whatever you choose to see, blirwin. "Anti-xtian"? If you mean I don't believe in their fantasy of the big, invisible man in the sky choosing one tribe over others, which then justifies whatever measures and actions, however savage they be, in order to meet that destiny, then fuck that shit. By the way you're carrying on responding to what I write, I could just as easily say, "[i]You[/i] are anti-Islamic or anti-Arab or... gasp! An anti-Semite."

- "Polarised article". It only [i]seems[/i] that way when you side with zionist terrorism (zing!). We should most definitely take into consideration the influence of Hezbollah and Hamas, and the potential destructiveness it could have on our homeland security. To be dismissive of this is to not possess the power of forethought. We're dealing with two tribes of savages that haven't let up since the times of Moses and we could easily get entagled further into that mess by bringing that shit over to us, like a disease.

[quote]As to the issue itself, believe me, I live in Connecticut and I will have the great honor of trying to vote out Leiberman in our primaries tomorrow. He is a snake who has subverted his liberal constituency. I'm just not going to sell my soul for some sensationalist shit-stirring that makes no sense whatsoever.[/quote]

... and it [i]seems[/i] to you that I do?


George Galloway is funny:

http://spikedhumor.com/articles/46227/G ... _news.html

[edisonoside]

The U.S UK and Israel has failed in their use of restraint with their Military might. We are superpowers & therefore should be setting good examples for the world to emulate. As Superpowers we should be showing more restraint. Remember; Good guys don't attack first, Good guys are supposed to protect lives at any cost especially innocent life. We're doing the opposite and frightening these lesser countries to death physically and mentally. We have been meddling in their affairs for far too long. We destroy their democratic process if it's not to our liking. And will do the same to our very own. That just shows hypocrisy not democracy. Why do we do this? Is it greed? Lust for POWER? Revenge? What is power if we don't know how to control it???[V]

[NuWaveRx]

[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]
Spend a tour in the middle east, then we can talk. until then, I'm not going to bother responding to uninformed claims gleamed from the far left media.

Have a nice day! [:)]
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I'm assuming by your reply Hutter, that you have spent a tour in the Middle-East? What experiences did you receive in your time spent there that would support your arguments?

By the way if we only allow people who've spent "a tour" over there to have a voice in this debate--that should leave Dubya and most of his cronies out in the cold, right?[;)]

[hutter]

[quote][i]Originally posted by NuWaveRx[/i]
By the way if we only allow people who've spent "a tour" over there to have a voice in this debate--that should leave Dubya and most of his cronies out in the cold, right?[;)]
[/quote]It sure would. One can be a conservative without being a republican. That party has turned into a sad joke.

As far as opinions go, everyone in the free world should be allowed to have theirs...but if someone is spouting uninformed rhetoric, it's my right to treat their opinions like jokes. Sometimes the only way to smarten some people up is to have them get in the sand and see how things are on the other side of the planet first hand. That would be my suggestion to XXX or anyone else who continues to hold on to the idea of the U.S. playing unbiased mediator...no matter who is involved. Some nations and religious sects don't want to be reasoned with, and will not be happy until there's nothing left but those that share their views. Contrary to the "popular" pov here, there are still bad guys in the world and the worst of the bunch are the radical muslims. Condoning any of their actions is disturbing and in most cases traitorous to our way of life which is worth preserving at any and all costs.

Go ahead and label me a conservo-nazi. I don't give a shit.

[NuWaveRx]

[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by NuWaveRx[/i]
By the way if we only allow people who've spent "a tour" over there to have a voice in this debate--that should leave Dubya and most of his cronies out in the cold, right?[;)]
[/quote]It sure would. One can be a conservative without being a republican. That party has turned into a sad joke.

As far as opinions go, everyone in the free world should be allowed to have theirs...but if someone is spouting uninformed rhetoric, it's my right to treat their opinions like jokes. Sometimes the only way to smarten some people up is to have them get in the sand and see how things are on the other side of the planet first hand. That would be my suggestion to XXX or anyone else who continues to hold on to the idea of the U.S. playing unbiased mediator...no matter who is involved. Some nations and religious sects don't want to be reasoned with, and will not be happy until there's nothing left but those that share their views. Contrary to the "popular" pov here, there are still bad guys in the world and the worst of the bunch are the radical muslims. Condoning any of their actions is disturbing and in most cases traitorous to our way of life which is worth preserving at any and all costs.

Go ahead and label me a conservo-nazi. I don't give a shit.
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I wasn't planning on labeling you anything. However, you didn't answer the first part of my post--In your experiences in the Middle East, what convinced you of the views you shared above?