Don't Forget 9/11

[Opera Prima]

One day that you feel more calmed down [:p] I would like to ask several questions about the official version of 9/11 to read your different points of view. I have several doubts about the matter and I wonder if what I was told is wrong. [?]

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Hutter - whoever brainwashed you in your childhood and in the military deserves a fucking medal. Good boy. Keep on following unquestioningly - our government values that in its drones. You'll never convince me (or anyone with a functioning brain) that the official version of 9/11 is the truth. Now, go find another semi-amusing picture. Yawn.
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The "official" version of anything is rarely the truth. I'll admit that I've had some questions as to the motives for the way the story was told. Is there one thing that stands out for you Motors?

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Mainly the collapse of the WTC having all the characteristics of a controlled demolition. It could not have come down any other way.The military exercises, insurance policies, etc. could all be explained as a series of coincidences (not likely that they are, but they COULD be) but the physical evidence surrounding the collapse of the towers is obvious. Or should be.

What part do you question?

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Opera Prima[/i]
<br>One day that you feel more calmed down [:p] I would like to ask several questions about the official version of 9/11 to read your different points of view. I have several doubts about the matter and I wonder if what I was told is wrong. [?]
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Aw Hell, we're calm. Ask away.

[hutter]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Hutter - whoever brainwashed you in your childhood and in the military deserves a fucking medal. Good boy. Keep on following unquestioningly - our government values that in its drones. You'll never convince me (or anyone with a functioning brain) that the official version of 9/11 is the truth. Now, go find another semi-amusing picture. Yawn.
[/quote]Did I ever say that I tow the party line without question? I have a million questions! But whatever brand of Michael Moore-ish conspiracy theory kool-aid your sipping on isn't the answer. You served in the military...you know as well as I that there is a official version, and the truth. But to prescribe to loonbat theories like "it's the Republicans fault"..."The president knew it was coming"...blah blah blah...c'mon, Motors. I thought better of you than that. You must be dating some left-wing gal (in which case it's all good, bro. I understand), otherwise I can't figure why you would buy into that sort of silliness.

The radical islamic terrorists are responsible for 9-11. Is that so hard to accept? If our government is guilty of anything regarding 9-11, it's not having a crystal ball. As much as I despise Bubba Clinton, even he couldn't have seen something of the scope of 9-11 coming.

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[eight6]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]
<br>[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Hutter - whoever brainwashed you in your childhood and in the military deserves a fucking medal. Good boy. Keep on following unquestioningly - our government values that in its drones. You'll never convince me (or anyone with a functioning brain) that the official version of 9/11 is the truth. Now, go find another semi-amusing picture. Yawn.
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The "official" version of anything is rarely the truth. I'll admit that I've had some questions as to the motives for the way the story was told. Is there one thing that stands out for you Motors?

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/dbince/eight.gif"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/dbince/number6.gif">
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Mainly the collapse of the WTC having all the characteristics of a controlled demolition. It could not have come down any other way.The military exercises, insurance policies, etc. could all be explained as a series of coincidences (not likely that they are, but they COULD be) but the physical evidence surrounding the collapse of the towers is obvious. Or should be.

What part do you question?


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I've heard the controlled demolition thing as well. It does seem odd that they both fell straight down...I remember thinking that on the day it happened in fact. What I meant by "how the story was told" was the repeated attempts to tie Iraq to terrorism. I initially believed the story wholeheartedly, then continued to believe in the face of mounting doubt by others, but now I have serious doubts.


In the broadest sense I guess you could make the Iraq/terrorism case (albeit a weak one), but then with that broad an interpretation, the U.S. should be fighting that war on many many fronts, instead of only Iraq.

Frankly, there is just so much out there now the truth is a very small needle in a very large haystack.



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[edisonoside]

Loose change -vs- Popular Mechanics

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/se ... debate.htm

*I would also like to add that the editor Of Popular Mechanics is Chertoffs cousin. There is allways more to a story.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by hutter[/i]

Did I ever say that I tow the party line without question? I have a million questions! But whatever brand of Michael Moore-ish conspiracy theory kool-aid your sipping on isn't the answer. You served in the military...you know as well as I that there is a official version, and the truth. But to prescribe to loonbat theories like "it's the Republicans fault"..."The president knew it was coming"...blah blah blah...c'mon, Motors. I thought better of you than that. You must be dating some left-wing gal (in which case it's all good, bro. I understand), otherwise I can't figure why you would buy into that sort of silliness.

The radical islamic terrorists are responsible for 9-11. Is that so hard to accept? If our government is guilty of anything regarding 9-11, it's not having a crystal ball. As much as I despise Bubba Clinton, even he couldn't have seen something of the scope of 9-11 coming.

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Fair enough. No, you never did say you follow the party line without question BUT this is the first time I've ever heard you acknowledge having any questions about it. Up until now, I've seen nothing but the official line being accepted by you and anyone who doesn't subscribe to that being summarily dismissed as a lunatic. I stand corrected.

Just for the record, I don't think it's the fault of ALL Republicans but I do think certain members of Bush's administration did have forewarning of these attacks. I don't know if they were involved in planning them and I really hope they weren't but I don't think it can be ruled out, taking into consideration their other illegal activities. Maybe that only makes me half a psycho [;)]? I'll take my chances being labeled whatever you want to call me until all the questions are cleared up (if ever). It's all good.


BTW, I've never done well with the left-wing chicks. I always get conservative ones that want to change me. Fat chance of that ever happening. [;)]

[i_like_lectric_motors]

[quote][i]Originally posted by eight6[/i]




In the broadest sense I guess you could make the Iraq/terrorism case (albeit a weak one), but then with that broad an interpretation, the U.S. should be fighting that war on many many fronts, instead of only Iraq.

Frankly, there is just so much out there now the truth is a very small needle in a very large haystack.




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Yup. Well put.

[hutter]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
BTW, I've never done well with the left-wing chicks. I always get conservative ones that want to change me. Fat chance of that ever happening. [;)]
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Funny how the conservative gals are attracted to the offbeat and unconventional, then do their best to change it into something that they could have picked up at their daddy's country club. Go figure.

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[Opera Prima]

Ok, these are my questions/doubts about what I read the days after 9/11:

1. The airplanes were hijacked and flew by guys who had taken a few lessons on how to fly light aircrafts.
Q: Can someone explain me how those guys were able to fly and control the airliners so well as to crash them so precisely against their targets?

2. The black boxes or flight recorders of the airliners were destroyed after the crash against the Towers since they were not found among the debris.
3. Among the debris or near the WTC M. Atta's passport was found.
Q: How is it possible that Atta's passport, just a piece of paper "survived" the crash, fire, etc. and the black boxes didn't?

4. Some passengers in the hijacked planes used their mobile phones to talk to friends, family, ...
Some months ago I read on the news a new system was being installed in airliners of the most important flight companies so that their passengers could use their phones during the flight and it will be ready late this year.
Q: After reading this, I understand nowadays is not possible to talk on your mobile while flying so, how could those passengers talk 5 years ago?

5. There are no recordings of the plane crashing against the Pentagon (except for those images shown some weeks ago where I don't see an airliner anywhere) and nobody in the nearing areas saw anything.
Q: If a plane had crashed against the Pentagon, wouldn't have been hundreds of witnesses seeing a plane approaching the area?
Q: How is it possible that there were no visible parts of the plane outside the building, like a bit of the tale for example? (everytime I've seen wreckages of airplanes on TV there were whole parts of the plane structure, some almost undamaged)

I've also have suspicions about how the buildings in the WTC collapsed... it's so strange the way they fell and the air blowing out from the windows of certain floors in the Towers before the floors above them collapsed. Motors, I'm with you.

[i_like_lectric_motors]

Those are all great questions that I'd love to see explanations for.
Anyone?

Number one could be beginner's luck I suppose (rolls eyes).
Numbers two and five are of course not possible.
Number four: http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/anal ... calls.html
Who knows?

[Opera Prima]

[quote][i]Originally posted by i_like_lectric_motors[/i]
<br>Those are all great questions that I'd love to see explanations for.
Anyone?

Number one could be beginner's luck I suppose (rolls eyes).
Numbers two and five are of course not possible.
Number four: http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/anal ... calls.html
Who knows?
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That's a very interesting site, I'm going to read all the information on it to learn more about what happened. Unfortunately, I'm sure the complete truth (as with so many other terrible events in the last hundred years or so) will never be told to us [V]

[stella]

I watched that last night. Loose change vs. Popular Mechanics. It resolved nothing but the age and edginess of the film makers makes them a little less credible. The PM guys were not too bright or helpful either. I would have expected them to talk more about, you know, mechanics. Loose change puts out a lot of loose ideas and the thing it is, even if only one part of what they posit it true, we're in deep deep shit.

The way the buildings fell is an issue for me also. I did some online research, melting point of steel, temperature of burning jet fuel and there are a lot of variables. The jet fuel mix, the composition of the steel, the existing fuel load, so my more common sense ideas can only be that, the evidence of my eyes.

It seems to me that the impact fire ball would have consumed a lot of fuel. Most of what poured into the building would have ignited at the same time and you can see that when you look at the blast pattern on the face of the building. From that point it's the building interior that's burning, sheetrock, desks, paper, plastic, cleaning supplies and I don't think these things burn hot enough to melt any mix of steel. Fireman can be heard talking from inside the building up to the moment of collapse but if the steel was melting under their feet and over their heads how could that be? Shouldn't the top of the buildings have fallen sideways into the wedge cut out by the plane? Those supports were gone and the heat was most intense in that area.

Loose Change offers some alternate motives like gold and insurance and makes some credible financial connections. Is there anyone here who doubts that money is the root of evil?

We all know that the president lies to us. His continuing insistence on a connection between 9/11 and Iraq is nothing more than a failed attempt to deceive. We all know that our country is seriously in debt and that money has not been used to make the world safer or better. What I think these days is that there was a kind of serendipity of greed, hate and politics that both caused and allowed this to happen. I also think there is an active propaganda campaign under way to change the way we will think about this in the future.

[phillyidol]

AAAAAAAAAAH! OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!HOLY FUCKIN SHIT!


OK, sorry, please ignore me and continue.

[drsevrin]

I have immense sympathy for those who died on 9/11 and their families. But, like Motors and Opera Prima, I don't think we're getting the whole story. It's nothing new for our government to plan terror attacks on its own citizens in order to catalyze a desirable event - such as the Iraq war, or in the case of Operation Northwoods in 1962, an attack on Castro's Cuba. Despite a long history of military service in my family, I will not allow my two young sons to be drafted to fight and die for a another pack of lies - whether they be Democrat or Republican.

Operation Northwoods, mentioned in the Loose Change video intro, was never implemented by Kennedy despite full approval by the Joint Chiefs. Disturbingly, it even proposed "hijacking airliners" and "orchestrating violent terrorism in US cities" in order to drum up popular support for a war against Cuba. Sound familiar? Don't take my word for it, have a chilling read for yourselves: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1. The original sources are declassified US govt. documents. Famed and respected NSA chronicler James Bamford has written extensively about it.

I don't pretend to know what really happened, and I take no pleasure whatsoever from conspiracy theory or believing the worst, but this is enough to give me pause. Also, check out reporter Carl Cameron's now spiked but disturbing Fox News report on a possible Israeli angle: http://100777.com/node/180?PHPSESSID=c5 ... 4d2e6b2efe. Remember: Cui Bono . . .